[Spoilers] I’m irrevocably Unimpressed

[Vahlnir]

It's not the 2 sides of the same coin. One is attempting necromancy. The other is trying to save the living. As much as we can sympathise with the loss of loved ones, morality itself tends to look down on raising the dead using non-consensual blood sacrifices.

And as I said, from THEIR perspective we aren't even alive. We are indeed fighting for the living, but to them we are fighting for fragments of a shattered past...a past they wish to see restored, people and all. We have the moral high ground though. The Ascians are simply doing whatever it takes, and that is why Emet and his fellow Ascians needed to be stopped. We really do share 2 sides of the same coin, in that we want to preserve our ways of life. We just have a bit better of a moral compass on ours. There are things we simply wouldn't do, like sacrificing entire worlds.

[Edax]

And as I said, from THEIR perspective we aren't even alive.

Alive or not, he's destroying consciousness and civilizations to raise the dead. It is still an act of extreme evil. If say I were to encounter a city of ghosts or undead that had conscientious and morality and I wiped them all out anyway for my own selfish goals, I would still be the villain.

[Vahlnir]

Alive or not, he's destroying consciousness and civilizations to raise the dead. It is still an act of extreme evil. If say I were to encounter a city of ghosts or undead that had conscientious and morality and I wiped them all out anyway for my own selfish goals, I would still be the villain.

I agree that it is evil. But good and evil is also a matter of perspective. That was a point that the story was trying pretty hard to make.

[Edax]

I agree that it is evil. But good and evil is also a matter of perspective. That was a point that the story was trying pretty hard to make.

Like I said, from his own perspective, he's still the villain. He's not heroic, he's not making any self-sacrifice to reach his goal (he's sacrificing others for him) and he's not saving anyone (because they already died long ago). He's not on the Hero's Journey.


From his own perspective, he's on a Negative Character arc.

[Vahlnir]

Like I said, from his own perspective, he's still the villain. He's not heroic, he's not making any self-sacrifice to reach his goal and he's not saving anyone. He's not on the Hero's Journey.


From his own perspective, he's on a Negative Character arc.

We can go back and forth like this all day if you want. I would rather not. All I was really saying was Emet was doing it wrong...but I get why he was doing it. That's all.

[Alleo]

I mean I see no problem with people finding the bad guys interesting or like them more than the good guys, but what I dont understand is when people try to spin it as if these villians are suddenly good and any other good character is suddenly evil and needs to be killed because they are not perfect..like what you want but accept that these are the evil ones.

I found Emet to be an interesting well written character. In one part I could understand him, because loss of your loved ones is horrible and at least he seemingly gave us a chance..but seeing how he is tempered to Zodiark and his mission was to start civiliations that should bring calamities, I wonder if he was ever truly free of any bias.

In the end I just see his and the ascians actions as wrong. Dont forget that even when the souls were still complete and the planet whole, did they talk about mass sacrifice of the new lifes. The lifes that other ancient ones sacrified themselves for. They are not only ready to kill billions of lifeforms which probably included lots of sentient life too, but are trampeling on the wishes of those that made the sacrifice at the start. Their race (what was left of it) could have easily started again. They could have rebuilt their cities and in a far away in the future they could have had their new utopia. Yet instead of honoring the sacrifice of the death and look forward, they tried to recreate the past no matter the cost. And it were Ancient ones that went against the Ascians. It were Ancient ones that created Hydaelyn in an act to defend the lifes that their kin has sacrificed themselves for. So it was a part of their race that decided that our lifes should continue to live on. The ascians are in that matter going against so many wishes of their own people and over the bodies of billions. So why should they win? Why should these 13 Ascian have the right to decide what will happen, when another part of their race decided that it was fine on how it was? How many of those that had sacrificed themselves to create a future for the rest would be utterly disgusted by what the Ascians are doing?

[Vahlnir]

I mean I see no problem with people finding the bad guys interesting or like them more than the good guys, but what I dont understand is when people try to spin it as if these villians are suddenly good and any other good character is suddenly evil and needs to be killed because they are not perfect..like what you want but accept that these are the evil ones.

I found Emet to be an interesting well written character. In one part I could understand him, because loss of your loved ones is horrible and at least he seemingly gave us a chance..but seeing how he is tempered to Zodiark and his mission was to start civiliations that should bring calamities, I wonder if he was ever truly free of any bias.

In the end I just see his and the ascians actions as wrong.

Well said. Personally, I could never defend the actions of the Ascians (though it seems like some have taken it that way, and I apologize for any misconceptions) but Emet gave people some insight as to why were doing what they were doing. It was nice being able to understand their rationale, and I found it interesting that I could sympathize with the villain on multiple levels while still being unable to defend him. The end goal simply couldn't be allowed to happen, and so it turned into an "us vs them" scenario. Could there have been a better way? Who knows. But Emet forced out hand.

[Zazay]

So you want your character to be deleted? Cause that's what'll happen if they win. You'll get deleted. So no game for you. So no... besides... why?

Why do I have to think of Yoko Taro now? lolz

[Savagelf]

it turn out life versus death in a way. through if one the leader who stood up to them was warrior of light but yet in stead allow her or him to remain dead hydialyn restore her/him brought about place holder for your character rebirth. what better way to face against the ascain the one they own enemy who help create Hydialyn in first place. seem Hydialyn knew what she was doing and seem an ability to think for her self in same way Zodark does. even have ascain are destroy we will be have still fight Zodark and those he temped to evil.

I figure that that your soul was also separate into 13 shade aswell. I wonder if you regain all 13 will you be able remember piece of that life. hmmm I smell an expansion in the works

11 piece part of the soul to go

[Gwenorai]

it turn out life versus death in a way. through if one the leader who stood up to them was warrior of light but yet in stead allow her or him to remain dead hydialyn restore her/him brought about place holder for your character rebirth. what better way to face against the ascain the one they own enemy who help create Hydialyn in first place. seem Hydialyn knew what she was doing and seem an ability to think for her self in same way Zodark does. even have ascain are destroy we will be have still fight Zodark and those he temped to evil.

I figure that that your soul was also separate into 13 shade aswell. I wonder if you regain all 13 will you be able remember piece of that life. hmmm I smell an expansion in the works

11 piece part of the soul to go

7 calamities have already happened. If I remember correctly? Idk, but with each calamity and rejoining to the source this strengthened our soul. Minus the void because the WoL in the void isn't dead and has been salvaged by the Ascians, but we don't know why they did this. So, apart from the Ascians, we are the closest to being complete.

So, that's technically 7 fragments of our soul that have already become apart of us from the start of the game. We started the game, half complete.