[Spoilers] I’m irrevocably Unimpressed

[Enla]

oops I did it again..

Hydaelyn herself would have required more sacrifices to be summoned though. From what I gathered Hydaelyn was meant to keep Zodiark himself in check, not the population.

My kingdom for ten characters. D:

Those lives were willing and ultimately needlessly sacrificed because the Ascians couldn't let go. Zodiark as explained in the story isn't all consuming, there's really nothing there that states he /needs/ constant sacrifices or to be kept in check. Just that his powers require sacrifice if called upon. While not outright stated it's pretty firmly hinted that the Amaurotines and the Star would likely have been fine had they not tried to bring back the dead. That act of planned genocide is the only reason Hydaelyn was brought in in the first place.

I don't recall the story going that way. I could have sworn all of them (except the Hydaelyn summoners) were willing.

They weren't going to sacrifice their own people. It's very clearly stated they were going to kill OTHERS to bring back the dead. Those people were not willing and had no knowledge of them essentially being cultivated to die.

[SturmChurro]

My kingdom for ten characters. D:

Those lives were willing and ultimately needlessly sacrificed because the Ascians couldn't let go. Zodiark as explained in the story isn't all consuming, there's really nothing there that states he /needs/ constant sacrifices or to be kept in check. Just that his powers require sacrifice if called upon. While not outright stated it's pretty firmly hinted that the Amaurotines and the Star would likely have been fine had they not tried to bring back the dead. That act of planned genocide is the only reason Hydaelyn was brought in in the first place.

They weren't going to sacrifice their own people. It's very clearly stated they were going to kill OTHERS to bring back the dead. Those people were not willing and had no knowledge of them essentially being cultivated to die.

do emotes count?

Yes, they couldn't let go of their creation magicks so calamities just kept happening, and Zodiark required sacrifice's to quell them. None of what I said about them is justifying their actions either, just from their point of view.

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Actually, I think she was created with sacrifice - though it doesn't specify how many.

What Hythlodaeus said was "There were, however, those who disagreed with this plan. They argued that enough had been sacrificed to Zodiark - that this new world should belong to the lives newly born. These dissidents surrender their life energies in the creation of Hydaelyn, an incarnation of their opposing belief."

Okay, I thought I remembered that line. I was starting to doubt my memory on some of the story.

[Avidria]

do emotes count?

Yes, they couldn't let go of their creation magicks so calamities just kept happening, and Zodiark required sacrifice's to quell them. None of what I said about them is justifying their actions either, just from their point of view.

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Okay, I thought I remembered that line. I was starting to doubt my memory on some of the story.

Yeah, I went back to look myself haha - was like hold on a second...

Let me see if I can get screenshots...

Edit just to clarify I didn't screenshot the entire conversation here ^^ just the parts about who was sacrificing what for who

[SturmChurro]

Yeah, I went back to look myself haha - was like hold on a second...

Let me see if I can get screenshots...

Edit just to clarify I didn't screenshot the entire conversation here ^^ just the parts about who was sacrificing what for who

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Looks like I am wrong then, to an extent. The ascians wanted to sacrifice large amounts of people up to the point that they would sacrifice the new to bring back their old. Neither primal is good or evil, that is for sure. The ascians are definitly in the wrong even when it comes to their own people. I wouldn't call them good guys ever, I do understand how they view the world(s) as they are though. Any life that isn't one of their old is a worthy sacrifice to bring back their dead even if their souls were whole again. That means they are unmistakably the "bad guys". But again, from their point of view, the original sacrifices would have paved the way for tne "new" life to be "cultivated", so they should be sacrificed to bring back those who made the continuation of the world possible.

Mfw ascians plans are confusing.

I'm actually really confused about how they thought this plan would work. So they created Zodiark. He saved them and became part of the star. They sacrificed themselves once to fill the star with life and then planned to fill it with vitality so they could sacrifice even more to bring back those who had died giving him life...

How would that work? How can he give the lives back when it would weaken him? How would feeding him more vitality work when he is the star at that point?

He would be trading the original sacrificed souls for the new sacrificed souls.

[Enla]

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OUR EMOTES SHALL DROWN OUT THE SKY.

And ah! My bad I misread. Apologies about that! ^^