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    LMAO. I disagree with the people saying "there's nothing romantic about it!" Exarch's admiration for the WOD/L borders romantic interest, and that is clearly not just my opinion. xD

    I think having a flirt option just once might add in a sliver of comedic relief for those who'd choose that option. Of course, those who disagree with said assessment or those who are playing ICly could choose another option; hence choices. Personally: I would sooner flirt with a certain warrior /wiggles brows/ but flirting with the Exarch? Exarch would die a happy man, hahaha.

    On second thought, don't do that. He's old and frail. We DON'T want to send him to an early grave! (But totally do it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR View Post
    LMAO. I disagree with the people saying "there's nothing romantic about it!" Exarch's admiration for the WOD/L borders romantic interest, and that is clearly not just my opinion. xD
    Admiration can drive people to do things beyond what can drive them through romantic interest. The way I saw it, was that the Exarch was looking up to us in admiration as heroes. And us remembering his name is what drove him to tears. I have seen people break into tears just by knowing they have done something that disappoints the person they admire and are filled with extreme joy when they're praised by them. And there's not a single bit of romantic interest between them.

    In the case of the Exarch, it really depends on how the player assumes the Exarch's feelings towards the WoL/D. If someone was to assume the Exarch has a romantic attraction to the WoL/D, then they will see it that way. If someone was to assume it as pure admiration (just like in my case), then they will also see it that way. And that is why you're not the only one who thinks that it's romantic. But since we don't have the option to flirt with him, it seems more likely that the author's intention was admiration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOZZYSTAR View Post
    LMAO. He's old and frail. We DON'T want to send him to an early grave!
    Haha he's not that old and frail, he's still got amazing stamina and strength to face and take out a Lightwarden. It's more that his mind is older and wisened whilst the rest of his body has aged at a much slower rate. Considering his retained youthful looks and the rate in which his hair has greyed one could say that his body is aging at a rate of 1 year for every 5 or 6 years, putting him somewhere near 40 years old give or take a few extra years. Some men are known to develop grey hair as early as their 30's especially white men. He is only weakened by exhaustion when he spends too long away from the Crystarium since after having fused himself with the Crystal Tower to give him a longer lifespan his body is dependent on him being in close proximity to the Crystal Tower in order to remain at full strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    Haha he's not that old and frail, he's still got amazing stamina and strength to face and take out a Lightwarden. It's more that his mind is older and wisened whilst the rest of his body has aged at a much slower rate. Considering his retained youthful looks and the rate in which his hair has greyed one could say that his body is aging at a rate of 1 year for every 5 or 6 years, putting him somewhere near 40 years old give or take a few extra years. Some men are known to develop grey hair as early as their 30's especially white men.
    He's an old man; like he's considered a grandfather to the captain of the guard, who comes across as much older as our WoL. Miqo'te also have the life expectancy of 50. The greying hair is probably the sign that he's on the way out. I don't think he can age anymore due to the tower - or rather the tower would slowly take over him. If I remember he's the one who created the crystarium settlement/city. So, he's probably been there for a good 30/40+ years.

    So yeah, he's an old man. Just not physically old looking in our terms. I don't think elderly Mi'qote actually exist, they do not have an old 'wizened' face. If he was to actually join us it would be the younger version who hasn't matured to this degree and will have a different personality as well due to the lack of experience. I don't think the one on the first would leave the people of the crystarium. He knows all too well that eventually, he'll probably die - which is sad, but I hope he does have a good ending if he does die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
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    In fairness, I really really got the impression that when he fused with the tower he became functionally immortal/stopped aging. I think he comments at one point that he is much older than he looks.

    Right now he is technically well over 100 years old. IIRC he said he started on the Crystarium just a little after the flood. I'm not quite willing to buy the no wrinkles (or any red hair at all left) if magic is not involved lol. This seems a little bit like the kind of logic that comes up with vampire age gaps.

    He's mentally super old, but physically at this point his age seems to just be "I'M A CRYSTAL" imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    He's an old man; like he's considered a grandfather to the captain of the guard, who comes across as much older as our WoL. Miqo'te also have the life expectancy of 50. The greying hair is probably the sign that he's on the way out. I don't think he can age anymore due to the tower - or rather the tower would slowly take over him. If I remember he's the one who created the crystarium settlement/city. So, he's probably been there for a good 30/40+ years.

    So yeah, he's an old man. Just not physically old looking in our terms. I don't think elderly Mi'qote actually exist, they do not have an old 'wizened' face. If he was to actually join us it would be the younger version who hasn't matured to this degree and will have a different personality as well due to the lack of experience. I don't think the one on the first would leave the people of the crystarium. He knows all too well that eventually, he'll probably die - which is sad, but I hope he does have a good ending if he does die.
    Oh I see, I didn't realise the Miqo'te lifespan was that short. I guess that explains why he still looks so young then and why we never see elderly Miqo'te, the closest one to elderly looking feature-wise being Chai-Nuzz who seemed quite happy to have an early retirement with his wife in Eulmore despite looking young to be retiring.

    I thought that Lyna considered him a grandfather since he took care of her since she was young and him already being a grown adult at the time means that in relative years he'd be as old as a grandfather as opposed to as a father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    Oh I see, I didn't realise the Miqo'te lifespan was that short. I guess that explains why he still looks so young then and why we never see elderly Miqo'te, the closest one to elderly looking feature-wise being Chai-Nuzz who seemed quite happy to have an early retirement with his wife in Eulmore despite looking young to be retiring.

    I thought that Lyna considered him a grandfather since he took care of her since she was young and him already being a grown adult at the time means that in relative years he'd be as old as a grandfather as opposed to as a father.
    I actually went and tried to find the actual source to this just to be sure as I don't fully trust the wiki to be accurate.
    It seems this is where the 'lore' from it came from;
    What are the age scales of the races?
    Fernehalwes: The five races can live to 100-120 biologically, but most people don’t live much longer than 50. Elezen have longer lifespans.

    - from a lore panel
    With Miqo'te having the more 'harsher' lives of others, they seem to have a much shorter life span. And why you won't see an elderly looking Miqo'te, even the face that the older Mi'qote tends to use doesn't look 'old' compared to the other races who have the wrinkly old face, even Au'ra has an old/wrinkly face. I'll have to check the encyclopedia when I can, see if its officially stated. But that grey hair is definitely a sign, G'raha was an old man even before he came one with the tower. But yeah, he's one with the tower now. Sad really.
    Bless him.


    Still trying to find the source where Miqo'te has such a low life expectancy that the wiki states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    G'raha was an old man even before he came one with the tower.
    If that's the case then he must've spent 15+ years before he met with the people on the First as they referred to him as the Crystal Exarch due to his appearance, either that or he subconsiously fused himself whilst he was sleeping in the tower so when he was awoken he was already old. I think I read somewhere that he fused himself whilst he was in the tower whilst another source said he realised he wouldn't live long enough to bring the WoL to the First and fused himself. Wonder which one is the right answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    If that's the case then he must've spent 15+ years before he met with the people on the First as they referred to him as the Crystal Exarch due to his appearance, either that or he subconsiously fused himself whilst he was sleeping in the tower so when he was awoken he was already old. I think I read somewhere that he fused himself whilst he was in the tower whilst another source said he realised he wouldn't live long enough to bring the WoL to the First and fused himself. Wonder which one is the right answer.
    But, G'raha isn't really old looking at all, though. The white in his hair strikes me much more as a stylized art choice first of all, but in-universe might be a result of stress related to fusing? But prolly just magical side effect. Aside from hair color, though, he doesn't look to have aged a day to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    I actually went and tried to find the actual source to this just to be sure as I don't fully trust the wiki to be accurate.
    It seems this is where the 'lore' from it came from;
    What are the age scales of the races?
    Fernehalwes: The five races can live to 100-120 biologically, but most people don’t live much longer than 50. Elezen have longer lifespans.

    - from a lore panel
    With Miqo'te having the more 'harsher' lives of others, they seem to have a much shorter life span. And why you won't see an elderly looking Miqo'te, even the face that the older Mi'qote tends to use doesn't look 'old' compared to the other races who have the wrinkly old face, even Au'ra has an old/wrinkly face. I'll have to check the encyclopedia when I can, see if its officially stated. But that grey hair is definitely a sign, G'raha was an old man even before he came one with the tower. But yeah, he's one with the tower now. Sad really.
    Bless him.


    Still trying to find the source where Miqo'te has such a low life expectancy that the wiki states.
    I'd assume when they say some don't live more than 50 because of all the crap that's going on in the world.
    Poverty, wars and battles, experimenting, anything really.

    I don't think G'raha was no older than young to mid 20's before he went into the CT.
    I would go with Jay's theory too and also add his hair changed along with the fusion of the Crystal Tower.
    There is one older like face though, it's Master Chai's face for example. Makes him looks 30-40.

    That said, stop depressing me Gwen.
    I lost Hauchy and I don't wanna lose G'raha. ; -;
    I so lonely lmao.
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