Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Lynesse]

Snip.

Well, at least it isn't just me.

It's probably a somewhat more forgiving experience on WHM. I haven't tried it. But on SCH, Emergency Tactics and Dissipation are two of my most important skills now.

[Anselmet]

So twice now I've been in a party where the healer refuses to do anything but heal when they've been called out. And they use the homogenizeation of healers as an excuse. Tonight on the first pull of one of the lvl 80 dungeons I had a blm melt down on an ast that was just spamming benefit on the tank. Basically said ya sorry a tank that does single target pulls is not as bad as a healer who won't dps and left. I wish I did too, bc it was excruciating slow run. But the healers repsonse was 'looks like someone isn't aware of the new healer update'. I really wanted to say, 'oh pls youre an ast, you never had a dps kit to begin with' but suffered silently. No cards were played either, might i add. Tank, insulted by the comment, began pulling more. Ast could heal it fine, but still had ample time to help dps during pulls and would just spam benefict when mobs were mostly mowed down oncemore. Felt real bitter by their attitude.

[Enla]

Well, at least it isn't just me.

It's probably a somewhat more forgiving experience on WHM. I haven't tried it. But on SCH, Emergency Tactics and Dissipation are two of my most important skills now.

Depends on the tank's skill and instance, but at worst as SCH my DPS uptime is really only suffering because of the MP issue. Most dungeons I'm still DPSing 70% of the time with the occasional heal this even with tanks doing big pulls so long as the DPS isn't eating mechanics as well.

[Fluffernuff]

If I were a WAR in DF, I'd stack Raw Intuition with another cooldown to ease the initial burst when I want to pull wall-to-wall. Or something! Do more than just pop Rampart and hope for the best, please, if you're going to be the minimum item level and pull more than you have any business pulling!

just gonna chime in here from a tanking perspective. all the tanks have a low cooldown/low duration mitgation ability, now. its actually really flexible and versatile, but on the subject of "popping rampart and hoping for the best".... thats how things work.

Stacking cooldowns on a big pull is a fine way to start getting beat down. Gunbreaker for example has two 90s cooldowns with 20s duration each. if i were to stack those together for a big pull, and that pull lasts longer than 20s, im effectively naked and now you have to heal me without any more mitigation. I've managed to survive and thrive in my blind mass pulls because of carefully rationing my cooldowns and not stacking them like a madman trying to lighten the healer's burden in the now.
Yes, I might appear squishy, but i also have 12+ sources of incoming damage, too. you're going to feel it much worse if i were to suddenly lose my active mitigation

the only cooldowns i think tanks should be stacking at all anymore are the "fast" ones across tanks. and of course the ever so present supercooldowns... but the topic of savage raid tankbusters isnt relevant to this particular topic

[Bixillarla]

So twice now I've been in a party where the healer refuses to do anything but heal when they've been called out. And they use the homogenizeation of healers as an excuse. Tonight on the first pull of one of the lvl 80 dungeons I had a blm melt down on an ast that was just spamming benefit on the tank. Basically said ya sorry a tank that does single target pulls is not as bad as a healer who won't dps and left. I wish I did too, bc it was excruciating slow run. But the healers repsonse was 'looks like someone isn't aware of the new healer update'. I really wanted to say, 'oh pls youre an ast, you never had a dps kit to begin with' but suffered silently. No cards were played either, might i add. Tank, insulted by the comment, began pulling more. Ast could heal it fine, but still had ample time to help dps during pulls and would just spam benefict when mobs were mostly mowed down oncemore. Felt real bitter by their attitude.

Hope you don't get me for your healer then. I do not DPS in dungeons/raids. I am there to keep the party alive and that is it, I am a healer not a DPS. I have my dancer for then I want to DPS.

[Alrin]

Hope you don't get me for your healer then. I do not DPS in dungeons/raids. I am there to keep the party alive and that is it, I am a healer not a DPS. I have my dancer for then I want to DPS.

How is overhealing or doing nothing better than DPSing?

Im perfectly fine when I have to heal constantly but why should I heal when it is not needed baffles me. And standing still watching others when I could help them with DPSing and finishing whatever we are doing faster? No way.

[Spirlia]

Hope you don't get me for your healer then. I do not DPS in dungeons/raids. I am there to keep the party alive and that is it, I am a healer not a DPS. I have my dancer for then I want to DPS.

Yesterday I was in Xelphatol during leveling roulette, a level 60 dungeon. As a scholar, like you, I could throw sacred soil on the tank + adloquium and I would not need to heal the tank the entire pull, despite him pulling every single monster.
In that situation, you would just sit there and not do anything? Just stand there and wait for damage to be done to the tank to bring him down to, say, 90%, and throw a physick up every 15 seconds? How is that fun?

What do you do in your down time? I understand there are healers that play that way, but it just blows my mind.

[Scremin]

Hope you don't get me for your healer then. I do not DPS in dungeons/raids. I am there to keep the party alive and that is it, I am a healer not a DPS. I have my dancer for then I want to DPS.

Good thing votekick and difference in playstyle is a thing then

[Katie_Kitty]

But it's like they get burst down from full to 40% every few seconds.

My SO says to me, "WAR has Raw Intuition. It's 20% mitigation."

I look at the skill -- for 5 seconds!

If I were a WAR in DF, I'd stack Raw Intuition with another cooldown to ease the initial burst when I want to pull wall-to-wall. Or something! Do more than just pop Rampart and hope for the best, please, if you're going to be the minimum item level and pull more than you have any business pulling!

I may be exaggerating. I may not be. I don't know. I need a bigger sample size to tell. But something doesn't feel right.

Tanks should be rotating cooldowns not blowing them all right off the bat as you suggest here. What do you think happens after their cooldowns drop and the mob pack is still alive? Now you have nothing. It's far better to activate them one at a time so you are reduce the amount of time in which you have no active mitigation up. Tanks don't have endless mitigation tools especially now in shadowbringers. Heck Paladin really only has rampart and sentinel these days until the enhanced shelltron trait kicks in. That's just for trash pulls of course. For bosses every cooldown is reserved exclusively for planned damage like tank busters

[Keddera_StormMoon]

Tanks most definitely feel squishier, but the Gunnies seem the squishiest so far. My DPS time has plummetted greatly after the changes and I think I've ate more Fairies for Aetherflow in the past two days than I've done during the lifetime of this character.