Question for fellow DRK's who have played its new Shb iteration.

[NealSnow]

I'm lv72 drk and I loveeee it. Guess people actually liked spamming dark arts over and over and over ect.

If you were expecting all classes to play radically different at 80 that's on you as far as expectations. Not every job needs reinvented every time there's an expansion. DARK gets 3 new skills, and the upgrades to flood and edge compliment drk. I'm not sure what people were expecting but each day it seems people only come to the forums to complain about x thing, or how y is bad now.

OP I do garentee trying it yourself unless you loved dark arts spam. If anything DRK feels more engaging to me.

[T-Owl]

I'm lv72 drk and I loveeee it. Guess people actually liked spamming dark arts over and over and over ect.

If you were expecting all classes to play radically different at 80 that's on you as far as expectations. Not every job needs reinvented every time there's an expansion. DARK gets 3 new skills, and the upgrades to flood and edge compliment drk. I'm not sure what people were expecting but each day it seems people only come to the forums to complain about x thing, or how y is bad now.

OP I do garentee trying it yourself unless you loved dark arts spam. If anything DRK feels more engaging to me.

So you like it to have actually less buttons to press, less OGCDs and for the most part just spamming your one combo for a whole minute without nothing else to do for a whole minute? With the odd edge of shadows in between that you get maybe every 20 seconds?

[LegolasT]

See when you read these comments you in the forums you see the SAME exacts trolls complaint about DRK like that's all the care about since Heavensward. Shit you could probably name them by name now since it's so apprent that it's the same people and especially when you don't agree and say you like the new DRK. What's really apparent most of these trolls have not played DRK. Example one troll commented that you need to spam Edge and flood until your mp is out SMH no why would you do that it's only there to help keep drk side. Another one said we use only one combo SMH if you tank period you would know NO ONE uses there enmity combo unless your a bad tank I'm sorry the game evolved from that and you can blame WAR 3.0 and 4.0 for that so get with the times.... I am actually playing the job and they worked the timers on the ogcds on purpose the more I play the job the more I understand the rework more and more the Main purpose of edge on flood is to keep darkside spamming that will lead to a dps loss. Not to mention TBN which helps get free blood for else or flood so that's always in your opener for me it's within the first pull.Next managing blackblood which will accumulate alot with the soul eater combo which must not stay full since that will be a dps loss(that statement alone tells you DRK can't be a 123 tank) you are constantly rotating bloodspiller carve and spit and eldge or flood as you unspecified rotation but must be mastered to properly pull off great DPS.

You also have 2 burst windows your delirum which now everyone loves(people I play with that play the job)and blood weapon. The thing I found is that you shouldnt use them together it's is a overall loss for dps In my opinion. The only synergy I am working on is living shadow since that 50 blood and best to used before a delirum burst window.

To summerize trolls will be trolls. For those that like the job they will hate it's the same people.I love the new drk. I love the direction all the tanks are going if I were to rate them in my opinion I would do PLD(easy to play but mitigation is still godly) DRK, WAR tied for me( DPS) and last GNB which is fun for me nice addition.

[Ignimortis]

See when you read these comments you in the forums you see the SAME exacts trolls complaint about DRK like that's all the care about since Heavensward. Shit you could probably name them by name now since it's so apprent that it's the same people and especially when you don't agree and say you like the new DRK. What's really apparent most of these trolls have not played DRK. Example one troll commented that you need to spam Edge and flood until your mp is out SMH no why would you do that it's only there to help keep drk side. Another one said we use only one combo SMH if you tank period you would know NO ONE uses there enmity combo unless your a bad tank I'm sorry the game evolved from that and you can blame WAR 3.0 and 4.0 for that so get with the times.... I am actually playing the job and they worked the timers on the ogcds on purpose the more I play the job the more I understand the rework more and more the Main purpose of edge on flood is to keep darkside spamming that will lead to a dps loss. Not to mention TBN which helps get free blood for else or flood so that's always in your opener for me it's within the first pull.Next managing blackblood which will accumulate alot with the soul eater combo which must not stay full since that will be a dps loss(that statement alone tells you DRK can't be a 123 tank) you are constantly rotating bloodspiller carve and spit and eldge or flood as you unspecified rotation but must be mastered to properly pull off great DPS.

You also have 2 burst windows your delirum which now everyone loves(people I play with that play the job)and blood weapon. The thing I found is that you shouldnt use them together it's is a overall loss for dps In my opinion. The only synergy I am working on is living shadow since that 50 blood and best to used before a delirum burst window.

To summerize trolls will be trolls. For those that like the job they will hate it's the same people.I love the new drk. I love the direction all the tanks are going if I were to rate them in my opinion I would do PLD(easy to play but mitigation is still godly) DRK, WAR tied for me( DPS) and last GNB which is fun for me nice addition.

If you don't spam Edge/Flood, you're losing DPS. You don't have anything else to spend mana on until TBN, and even then you should always dump mana at any point you're at 6k MP or above. It's free damage, and you earn enough mana even without Blood Weapon/Delirium to throw one EoS/FoS each 20 seconds. The only reason to not spam EoS/FoS is aligning it with Trick Attack's window, and after that's gone, you have some time in which you should still spam EoS/FoS. If you don't have a NIN, then there is pretty much no reason at all to not use EoS when your mana is at 6k or above. If you don't need to TBN (solo content/no shielding necessary/below 70) you just dump mana into EoS always.

[WhyAmIHere]

To summerize trolls will be trolls. For those that like the job they will hate it's the same people.I love the new drk. I love the direction all the tanks are going if I were to rate them in my opinion I would do PLD(easy to play but mitigation is still godly) DRK, WAR tied for me( DPS) and last GNB which is fun for me nice addition.

>Agree with me that DRK is good or you're a troll

Wow. Very strong case you've made.

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This is juicy.

Exactly what I been saying since media tour and after playing WAR. WAR 5.0 is extremely boring all do is wait for inner realese To then get the more powerful fell cleave that's it! I do plan to fully lvl WAR fully since I'm about done DRK.

>WAR and DRK are basically clones of each other
>you agree to the person you've quoted's statement
>you dislike WAR for the same reasons you like DRK

We really must have travelled to another world, because that makes no lick of sense.

[Eliroth-Kaminari]

I would say im quite neutral about what DRK is now.

If i forget what DRK was in ARR then Drk IN shadow is defently improvmenet what it was in Storm.

I wild keep last points of critisism off untill i can dest DPS and some surviviablity in raid.

allso yeh its alot like WAR clone atm what is only salty thing.

[Agner]

Another one said we use only one combo SMH if you tank period you would know NO ONE uses there enmity combo unless your a bad tank I'm sorry the game evolved from that and you can blame WAR 3.0 and 4.0 for that so get with the times....

People upset about that are more upset with the loss of good animations than they actually are with the purpose of an emnity combo itself; some would also wish for another combo to switch up what we do and to prevent things from getting visually stale. That much can be ascertained by reading various feedback threads. Personally, I'm tired as hell of the souleater animation by now having played this job since HW launch.

I am actually playing the job and they worked the timers on the ogcds on purpose the more I play the job the more I understand the rework more and more the Main purpose of edge on flood is to keep darkside spamming that will lead to a dps loss. Not to mention TBN which helps get free blood for else or flood so that's always in your opener for me it's within the first pull.Next managing blackblood which will accumulate alot with the soul eater combo which must not stay full since that will be a dps loss(that statement alone tells you DRK can't be a 123 tank) you are constantly rotating bloodspiller carve and spit and eldge or flood as you unspecified rotation but must be mastered to properly pull off great DPS.

How are you coming to understand the rework more? This is basically the same thing we did before, but simplified further (and it was already simple before), slowed down, and then beaten to death. This is a basic thing that could've been understood just by reading the tooltips.

You also have 2 burst windows your delirum which now everyone loves(people I play with that play the job)and blood weapon.

OK? I know people who are playing the job as well and they don't like the rework. Guess this leaves us at odds, then!