Aether Data Center 100% Congested

[Endeleon]

I bet half of the congestion is all the bot farms making characters because there are so many pathetic people who buy gil in this game.

[Reap00]

I bet half of the congestion is all the bot farms making characters because there are so many pathetic people who buy gil in this game.

Considering the hype and the massive amount of money SE spent on advertising the expansion I would say your estimate is WAY off.

[Endeleon]

Considering the hype and the massive amount of money SE spent on advertising the expansion I would say your estimate is WAY off.

But how much of that is new characters? You are obviously missing the point.

[LaylaTsarra]

But how much of that is new characters? You are obviously missing the point.

I think there are quite a few bots but I see those on Balmung as well... plenty of gil sellers from Bryn. The subscription rate is supposedly the highest ever so that has to be reflected in the server numbers.

[Mistyregions]

I bet half of the congestion is all the bot farms making characters because there are so many pathetic people who buy gil in this game.

I have a question, do you sell stuff on the market board? If you do, how do you price it? Do you over value your time and experience? Do you make it obtainable by 70% of your server? Are progression items available at a price a sprout with zero experience can obtain?

If you price out sprouts and casuals, the option to buy RMT goes higher, then they buy it and you end up being part of the problem. You then also believe you should get 20k a pop for these items and continue the self feeding loop. End game crafting gear comes to mind.

[Endeleon]

I have a question, do you sell stuff on the market board? If you do, how do you price it? Do you over value your time and experience? Do you make it obtainable by 70% of your server? Are progression items available at a price a sprout with zero experience can obtain?

If you price out sprouts and casuals, the option to buy RMT goes higher, then they buy it and you end up being part of the problem. You then also believe you should get 20k a pop for these items and continue the self feeding loop. End game crafting gear comes to mind.

Are you seriously approving the use of RMT right now? And on the official forums no less? Your point is completely worthless anyway because there is nearly 0 reason to buy anything as a new player in this game. Everything is received from tomes and dungeons and the MSQ.

And... did you just say... end game crafting gear? Why in the entire world would a new player need that? You realize there is yellow scrip gear you can earn for 0(zero) gil right? And by the time you are level 70 crafters you should have made enough gil from it to buy them if you are too lazy to make it for yourself. I see we've spotted a gil buyer who wants everything handed to them...

[DarkEiraStar]

Are you seriously approving the use of RMT right now? And on the official forums no less? Your point is completely worthless anyway because there is nearly 0 reason to buy anything as a new player in this game. Everything is received from tomes and dungeons and the MSQ.

And... did you just say... end game crafting gear? Why in the entire world would a new player need that? You realize there is yellow scrip gear you can earn for 0(zero) gil right? And by the time you are level 70 crafters you should have made enough gil from it to buy them if you are too lazy to make it for yourself. I see we've spotted a gil buyer who wants everything handed to them...

I don't think that's what Mistyregions was saying. The idea that new players don't need anything off the market board is pretty short sighted. Yes the game gives you gear from quests, that you quickly can out level and leave behind. Which makes for buying gear more likely, especially in the ARR content.

I don't know anyone that made money from leveling crafters, if anything they spent gil to level. If you were able to get to 70 on all crafters while amassing a small fortune good on you, but that isn't the case for every person. And as I found out, the end game script gear isn't the best crafting gear because you can't put materia into it.

[Endeleon]

I don't think that's what Mistyregions was saying. The idea that new players don't need anything off the market board is pretty short sighted. Yes the game gives you gear from quests, that you quickly can out level and leave behind. Which makes for buying gear more likely, especially in the ARR content.

I don't know anyone that made money from leveling crafters, if anything they spent gil to level. If you were able to get to 70 on all crafters while amassing a small fortune good on you, but that isn't the case for every person. And as I found out, the end game script gear isn't the best crafting gear because you can't put materia into it.

So? Yellow scrip gear perfectly adequate for a "casual" crafter as mistyregions put it. There's no need at all for BiS crafter gear if you barely even do anything. And honestly, the MSQ gives you 300k gil just to ARR. I'd like to know what a sub 50 player needs to be buying thats more than that, and if you bring up glamour, that is completely not a necessity and absolutely not acceptable to buy gil for(not that anything is). You are making up hardships that don't actually exist.

[TwistedTea]

I don't know anyone that made money from leveling crafters, if anything they spent gil to level. If you were able to get to 70 on all crafters while amassing a small fortune good on you, but that isn't the case for every person. And as I found out, the end game script gear isn't the best crafting gear because you can't put materia into it.

You can make serious gil as a level 15 crafter. 2-6 million gil a week on a world like Balmung, for 2hours of daily play.

It comes down to studying the Market Board.

Secondly, if you level DOH/DOLs through the following, you won't be spending so much gil:

Beast Tribes

Collectibles(see what's the cheapest mats/craft depending on the MB)

GC turn-ins. World Visit has made this ridiculously easy. Often you'll get HQ turn ins for less than vendor NQ price

Grinding out cheap low level crafts with FC/GC buffs,manuals and cheap food

Desynth. Often people sell items which can be desynthesized for valuable crafting mats for less than 1000 gil.

Also, I'm using yellow scrip gear for both DOH/DOLs. My observation is that not having crafted pentamelded gear might lock you out of the explosive gil making from the HQ higher tiered star recipes, when at the start of a patch but:

There's plenty of items which are not required to be HQed,non-max level crafts which sell hourly/daily even during content lulls when plenty of people are unsubbed.

Low-medium profits (50~500k) per item/stack but high volume of sales.