About the races we have.

[NessaWyvern]

I know they probably aren't going to make more races but, I'm kinda confused. I've been hoping for like a very feminine male race that can choose between that or being masculine. I know we have male Miqo'te but, their bodies sliders seem too limited for what I'm trying to bring up. I'm just curious we have Roe women who have the option to look beautiful or as masculine as possible. I'd like a male race with that type of change. xD I'd like to clarify this isn't to bash on overly masculine or feminine people I'm just curious. o:

I always wanted a race for the men that looked kinda like Omega M. That old-school FF Yoshitaka Amano artwork look, it would be a great call-back. Maybe one day we'll have it.

[Theodric]

I think its really has to do with that fact that this "concern" for male characters looking feminine/young is always one sided. Female Au Ra are fine for some reason but a male being the same size gets so much hate and resistance. I don't think Viera males should look dramatically different to the ladies in the form of body type and height personally but the immediately accusations and "worrying" about how they will be used for people just suggesting it has really put a spot light on the fact that we aren't allowed to appear small, bookish or feminine if its a male character.

I've seen plenty of people - myself included - speak out against the creepy comments aimed at both the likes Alphinaud and Alisae.

To be blunt, I also have very little patience for many of the players who push for feminine/androgynous aesthetics simply because it is never enough for them. Already most of the hairstyles are designed to adhere to a 'unisex' aesthetic, yet so many of them just adhere to feminine/androgynous aesthetics. The male version of the bunny suit went the same way after a lot of odd accusations flung at the development team.

I like guys. I'm one myself. I like playing guys who look handsome/masculine. That's a broad spectrum in itself.

If you really want to, you can already create a feminine/androgynous looking male character. That should be enough, especially given that it's a niche to begin with. I'd much prefer to see some focus on fixing things like the lack of authentic eyebrows for Highlander men.

[SturmChurro]

I like guys. I'm one myself. I like playing guys who look handsome/masculine. That's a broad spectrum in itself.

Speaking of that, I've seen the guys who are into the Hrothgar, or rather just bigger muscular men, or just masculine men in general get drowned out by so many who want the feminine aesthetic, or even 'child-like aesthetic'. Not everyone who wants a masculine male is some "right-winger" who wants all men to be masculine on principle, and are "scared" of the opposite, like I feel like we get painted. Things aren't black and white.

[grinkdaboy]

a lot of people just tend to play their fetish. i don't bother with that since i already have access to plenty of that material. i think roegadyn and hrothgar will appeal more to that demographic than any amount of people who just want to play a big buff guy. i just don't like roegadyn/hrothgar since they're comically buff and armor tends to look stretched on them which i find unappealing in an age where you're hard pressed to find gear that *doesn't* have an ass cape slapped onto it

[Theodric]

Speaking of that, I've seen the guys who are into the Hrothgar, or rather just bigger muscular men, or just masculine men in general get drowned out by so many who want the feminine aesthetic, or even 'child-like aesthetic'. Not everyone who wants a masculine male is some "right-winger" who wants all men to be masculine on principle, and are "scared" of the opposite like I feel like we get painted. Things aren't black and white.

Yeah, there's a lot more I could say on the matter though one has to tread carefully when it comes to such subjects. I almost wish we were on the same server cluster so I could poke you sometime since we're often in agreement in various threads.

I do have a feeling that Hrothgar will do fairly well, for what that's worth. It's an odd situation, though. Midlander men already have a muscle tone slider and a height slider - as well as facial options that are very broad. You can make them look very muscled and ruggedly handsome. Or you can make them look very feminine/androgynous.

So I'm confused. Just how far do people want the sliders to go? After a point it just enters territory that is very odd and arguably inappropriate.

[Senn]

You have too much faith in this world Senn. We share the forums with a good portion of degenerates.

Maybe. It's just my mind doesn't immediately go straight to things of that nature. I'm really disturbed by some people and also disappointed that individuals like that are ruining something that's not inherently bad for others. It's just shameful. Until I read the live letter, I didn't even consider the sort of mods that were being created - and even the mods of the current models are so distasteful.

I want to say that it's not inherently bad to ask for a character similar to Alphinaud. I've done it myself, although it's because I didn't really know what other examples to use. A while ago someone mentioned omega m body type and I thought that worked as a better reference. I really hate that people immediately accuse others of nefarious behavior. Some people would just like a character like that and have no ill motivations, and I think accusing people with no basis is not only shameful, but really damaging as well. It's a really severe accusation that should not be tossed around so lightly, and I've seen it being tossed around very, very lightly.

[Mistyregions]

When they said "no new races", I take that as code that the Hrothgar and Viera will have their respective genders filled out the expansion after Shadowbringers.

7.0 is kinda the end of the rope, the game will be pretty much over storyline wise and they will be doing another FF MMO, new engine new everything

[Iscah]

I always wanted a race for the men that looked kinda like Omega M. That old-school FF Yoshitaka Amano artwork look, it would be a great call-back. Maybe one day we'll have it.

I'm pretty sure Omega is using an Elezen base model.



Neck proportions are different of course, and Omega is slimmer in the torso, but that's partly due to the outfit. (I've tried the Omega gear on my Elezen since making this comparison screenshot, and it does change the apparent proportions.)

[Mistyregions]

Height is a major one because it can make and break a character for people. When you pair femininity with small the image that comes to mind is a young male that has yet to go through their final growth spurt. It's also why it's actually more attractive for women and some men of course - to go for people who are 'taller' than them. It's not always the case, but it seems to be. Just like how some men prefer their women to be small and do not like it when a woman is taller than them. I also think it's some sort of subconscious wiring in us that 'taller' in most scenarios = more dominant. And why whenever we see animals these days where an alpha exists, they are taller/bigger - compared to the smaller version which is seen as 'Omega/Beta'. It's old and archiac of us, but it's just how we're wired.

I personally find young, feminine looking men who are small to be too feminine or are adolescents.

I can handle being a max height hyur as they're not that small - they're the average human height worldwide. Male Miqote and Female Au'ra are actually reasonable heights in eastern countries. That being said, female Au'ra's height difference compared to the males is absolutely ridiculous and shouldn't be repeated.

I mean I think anonymity adds to the subconscious interests. I mean, the compulsive need to represent what you like in a video game be parrelled to adolescent children speaks volumes, the fact yoshi p had to specify that with a subtle hint to acknowledging what people truly want, just speaks volumes again of what these people are interested in. We can dance around the issue forever, we cannot ever directly discuss or confront it because people lose their sh*t if you akin them to liking children, even if true deep down in a subconscious level.

So the answer is to push the boundaries as far as possible by asking for pseudo ways to achieve this. More feminine short boy races, is one pseudo way to ask.

EdIT: what's up with hating being tall?

[NessaWyvern]

Height is a major one because it can make and break a character for people. When you pair femininity with small the image that comes to mind is a young male that has yet to go through their final growth spurt. It's also why it's actually more attractive for women and some men of course - to go for people who are 'taller' than them. It's not always the case, but it seems to be. Just like how some men prefer their women to be small and do not like it when a woman is taller than them.

I'm not sure how true this is, I'm taller than my husband, and my brother's wife is taller then he is. Most super models are rather tall also.