Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Ramesses]

Incredible.

725 pages and counting...

[Gwenorai]

Man, I swear every time I step away from this thread it melts down and people start going headlong into fisticuffs - except they've got daggers between their bloody knuckles.

All I know is that when folks get emotional they turn into crap heads on the internet, and people should probably grasp this honestly - not a lot of people give a flying hoot about your feelings through a computer screen, in a forum, when you're butting heads.

It's just not that deep enough to get that emotionally screwed over regarding the topic. Some folks called you 'entitled for wanting a bunny man.' Coolio, time to move on. Have a drink of tea, do your nails, imagine punting whoever said it into the sun or something - just chill out. Some idiot called you a homophobe and a degenerate for wanting Hrothgar? Again, best to get over it. Honestly, if a bunch of people on the internet having an emotional break down because instead of Viera they got 'Hrothgar' - gets you raging then it's time get some tougher skin because there's always going to be cry babies out there who are going to throw out the most ridiculous of bullcrap. It's not great, I'm not validating the behaviour or supporting it. But at this point, it's not worth the drain of it all.

Folks should also note that people can change their mind. I remember in another thread Shogun (I hope I spelt your username right!) and I would battle out because I was so very sure they weren't Ronso, and stated how I thought 'Hrothgar were Khajiit' - and wham, they were Ronso all along - or at least a breed of them. And though I was upset, the fact Shogun was happy was something because it was something he genuinely wanted. I raged a bit, calmed down, ate some chocolate - kicked some lalas and then moved on from it. The Hrothgar started to impress me with the information dump, and my qualms regarding story were also changed because of the setting. If we were still in our world and were fighting the Empire than damn right I would still be peeved off and calling out this 'bad storytelling' - at least with it being the first it actually makes sense for the males to not be around. They're the thin barrier between the Sin Eaters and their families. I'm looking forward to hearing more about them.

If folks are looking for genuine apologies on both sides then they're better off trying to get into the Queen's knickers. Anything that's going to be said is going to simply be done to have the other side to frankly 'shut up' and get them out of their face. Let's face it, the amount of arguments that's going on is just so very tiring. And yes, it may seem bad but it's time to wake up and smell the expensive starbucks coffee. If you can't be happy for people who got what they wanted, then yeah - there's a problem. If you can't sit down and accept the fact there are people out there, normal freaking people who just wanted a male bunny or a female buff lion then yet again there's a problem. Not everyone is a degenerate - not everyone needs to fall to that level either. I'm tired while writing this, so... heck, idk. Le shrug.

Just, keep it out the thread, it's not going anywhere. I'd rather listen to people talk about the same 'speculation' and arguments about 'height' than the 'Wahhh, Hrothgar stole my rabbits,' again.
tldr; chill
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On another note;
Senn, would it be possible that the front post may be updated to add any new information we hear about male Viera from the expansion? Basically the flavour text we gather, and perhaps differences between versions Japanese/English etc. I know you didn't want to edit it, but I figure adding more information to help with the argument and add the pros and cons would be a good benefit and actually put forward a decent argument for them. Rather than 'I just want them', but more 'Why we should have them' and what they could bring.

[Amnmaat]

It's actually pretty natural for a Viera thread to have 725+ pages.
Support (female) Viera thread had 238 pages without them being confirmed for XIV.

Now that Viera exists in XIV it's not a matter of whether (male) Viera could ever exist in XIV, it's a matter of in what fashion could they exist. The hype doubled because we have female Viera already. Hopefully Community mangers look at the likes and and the fervor and passion for male Viera.

[Gwenorai]

It's actually pretty natural for a Viera thread to have 725+ pages.
Support (female) Viera thread had 238 pages without them being confirmed for XIV.

Now that Viera exists in XIV it's not a matter of whether (male) Viera could ever exist in XIV, it's a matter of in what fashion could they exist. The hype doubled because we have female Viera already. Hopefully Community mangers look at the likes and and the fervor and passion for male Viera.

Can't argue with this logic, honestly. The idea of males Viera has been bouncing around longer than this forum has. Tactics - FF12... etc. As soon as the females popped up there were questions about the males. I honestly think a lot of people forget that. This is a very old race...


Off topic; but I started playing FF12 again - Fran's butt doesn't quit. But on a more serious note; the way she talks as well as the other Viera makes me want them even more. They're just so mature in the way they speak.

[SturmChurro]

Hopefully Community mangers look at the likes and and the fervor and passion for male Viera.

They are literally just humans with bunny ears on top, and a birth defect nose.

[Amnmaat]

Can't argue with this logic, honestly. The idea of males Viera has been bouncing around longer than this forum has. Tactics - FF12... etc. As soon as the females popped up there were questions about the males. I honestly think a lot of people forget that. This is a very old race...


Off topic; but I started playing FF12 again - Fran's butt doesn't quit. But on a more serious note; the way she talks as well as the other Viera makes me want them even more. They're just so mature in the way they speak.

Yeah, and to add to that, whoever voiced Fran in the English dub is a goddess. She gave her an amazing voice and personality which transcended into the other Viera as well. This calm, womanly, and subtle gentleness with a hint of fierceness is just great. Their subtlety is what makes Viera amazing to me, they're not straight up serious, cute, or clam, for them it's all subtle; very well reflected in their emotes. A lot how Fran was in XII.

I have a feeling male Viera will have that same subtleness to them, probably even more so since they live alone. I wouldn't be surprised if male Viera turn out to not speak or say very little like if you ask them what happened here they'll just say "explosion," very conservative in their expression but at the same time having that subtle fierceness to them where they'll speak out with conviction when it's something important.

You can tell they only mean business, not chitchat

[DemonicNeko]

Yeah, and to add to that, whoever voiced Fran in the English dub is a goddess. She gave her an amazing voice and personality which transcended into the other Viera as well. This calm, womanly, and subtle gentleness with a hint of fierceness is just great. Their subtlety is what makes Viera amazing to me, they're not straight up serious, cute, or clam, for them it's all subtle; very well reflected in their emotes. A lot how Fran was in XII.

I have a feeling male Viera will have that same subtleness to them, probably even more so since they live alone. I wouldn't be surprised if male Viera turn out to not speak or say very little like if you ask them what happened here they'll just say "explosion," very conservative in their expression but at the same time having that subtle fierceness to them where they'll speak out with conviction when it's something important.

You can tell they only mean business, not chitchat

Am I miss remember ff12? I thought there was some dialog about male Viera being trees or something like that. I am pretty sure there was not a single male Viera in ff12.

Now we understand the Hrothgar are based off of FF10 Ronso. Which there where females Ronso in that game. Now I do not think Square would want to be. "well we can not screw over the men. Making 2 new female race and saying." Sorry their no bunny boys in FF. So instead the screwed over the girls and said. "You are getting bunny girls and not lion girls." Honestly I would love to get female Hrothgar more then male Viera. Though it not the end of the world and I figure a future patch/expansion will give us the other half.

Though will be interesting how they do male Viera as lore does not really support male Viera. Can not tell you how many times I herd jokes of Viera being more like Asari from Mass Effect and other NSWF stuff.

[CoolDad]

Am I miss remember ff12? I thought there was some dialog about male Viera being trees or something like that. I am pretty sure there was not a single male Viera in ff12.

Now we understand the Hrothgar are based off of FF10 Ronso. Which there where females Ronso in that game. Now I do not think Square would want to be. "well we can not screw over the men. Making 2 new female race and saying." Sorry their no bunny boys in FF. So instead the screwed over the girls and said. "You are getting bunny girls and not lion girls." Honestly I would love to get female Hrothgar more then male Viera. Though it not the end of the world and I figure a future patch/expansion will give us the other half.

Though will be interesting how they do male Viera as lore does not really support male Viera. Can not tell you how many times I herd jokes of Viera being more like Asari from Mass Effect and other NSWF stuff.

Male Viera are not mentioned in XII as far as I know, and there is nothing about them looking like trees in any of the games. The earliest mention of male Viera I'm aware of is from Ultimania (which said that they live separately from females and compete for resources or something), though most people go off the lore that's present in this game from the Dramaturge who states that they're forest guardians who protect the woods from outsiders. They aren't like Asari but more like female Salarians maybe? Rarer and left in their homeland.

[Halivel]

FFXIV lore doesn't say they are rare, though (at least info that we have for now). Only that outsiders didn't see them until nowadays (Protectors from the shadows in EN version, wanderers in JP version). So who knows, their population could be actually higher than population of male Miqo'tes, who are considered to be very low-populated. They just live separately, most likely contacting solely for mating and probably trading.

[CoolDad]

FFXIV lore doesn't say they are rare, though (at least info that we have for now). Only that outsiders didn't see them until nowadays (Protectors from the shadows in EN version, wanderers in JP version). So who knows, their population could be actually higher than population of male Miqo'tes, who are considered to be very low-populated. They just live separately, most likely contacting solely for mating and probably trading.

The Dramaturge says that eight in ten Viera are female, so they are rarer relatively speaking.