Why I think Shadowbringers Dark Knight is not going to be fun...

[TouchandFeel]

I think hes comparing it to HW/SB Dark Knight, which you use ogcds more often and Blood Weapon has an haste effect
The video shows that you get MP slowly which wont let you use the MP spenders as often as before, and also no way to increase attack speed

I understand the comparison between HW/SB DRK and what has been projected for ShB. Nobody has denied that the APM for ShB looks to be discernibly lower than the previous incarnations. The numbers for MP regain over time have been around since the first videos about DRK changes from the media tour, so the numbers from this video should not come as a surprise to anyone.

What I was doing with my comment was providing the context that in that video all the jobs looked slow so that it is hopelly not seen and touted as solely a DRK thing by those who are overly quick to jump to conclusions.

I also provided the context that the player in the video didn't appear to be doing as much as they could which would make the job appear to play slower, and that because of such it would be best not to take it as a good model for how any of the jobs shown will play.

All I wished to do was to point out that people should be more discerning about the content they use to draw conclusions, but then again I guess what is the point? People are going to continue seeing what they want to see, hearing what they want to hear and drawing the conclusions that they want to draw, and anyone not inline with them will be browbeaten. Not saying that you are doing this, you are not, just a general comment on the current state of the discourse in the tank forums. I mean there have always been cycles of "tension" within the forums, but this recent bout sure is something else.

[Lyth]

I think that a lot of the gameplay 'feel' of DRK is going to depend on animation locks. EoS (aka Shinten) and FoS (aka Kyuten) are both set at a 2 second recast to prevent you from double weaving the ability with itself, but it also looks like their animations take up the better part of the interval between GCDs.

Given the relatively high potency of these two oGCDs compared to the others, as well as the much higher potency values of GCDs this expansion, I wonder if they're aiming to discourage double weaving in general.

The relatively lower MP generation is a function of standardising all jobs to 10k MP. It's functionally similar to enlarging the storage capacity. What's going to be more interesting is finding a way to sit in that 9-10k range during the lead in to a burst window. Unfortunately, there isn't really a low MP value "pressure release" in the 1k range that lets you tread water, so I'm not sure how much fine control we'll have over this. I think a more reasonable expectation will be to sit in the 7-9k range.

I don't think that maintaining Darkside was ever intended to be a "challenge", any more than maintaining Goring or Eye is supposed to be a challenge. It's more of a reminder for you to use the abilities (i.e. skill floor).

I wish that there were more interactions between different parts of the toolkit. The blood system seems to be mostly off doing its own thing, and outside of Living Shadow seems to be just there to gate Bloodspiller as a '4th combo action'.

[Alexow]

What I was doing with my comment was providing the context that in that video all the jobs looked slow so that it is hopelly not seen and touted as solely a DRK thing by those who are overly quick to jump to conclusions.

I also provided the context that the player in the video didn't appear to be doing as much as they could which would make the job appear to play slower, and that because of such it would be best not to take it as a good model for how any of the jobs shown will play.

The guy in the video seemed to be playing well enough, not optimized of course, but still enough to see how the class will play. And from what the video shows DRK does seem a bit slower than Id like atleast, I actually quite liked spamming DA during BW lol.
But it doesnt seem like that will happen again in ShB, especially since they nerfed both the duration and cooldown of BW.

[Agner]

The guy in the video seemed to be playing well enough, not optimized of course, but still enough to see how the class will play.

I think the funniest thing was him using TBN like a split second before an aoe appeared over him, only for him to walk out of it.

[Alexow]

I think the funniest thing was him using TBN like a split second before an aoe appeared over him, only for him to walk out of it.

Hey I dont blame him, if it was anything like the Media Tour then he probably was too busy being stressed out gathering all the footage he could with the little time they had, would probably be hard to play well like that, especially on a class that got changed alot

[Derio]

I think the pace is going to feel extremely slow. Hopefully I am wrong.

But if I am right then like many others I will probably jump ship to GNB

[saber_alter]

I think it will be fun, but for different reasons that HW or SB dark knight was. Enjoyment is subjective however.

[Zarkovitch]

Drk will be fine I just which we get direct hit or Crit on delirium

[DRKoftheAzure]

Drk will be fine I just which we get direct hit or Crit on delirium

DRK's don't want to be WAR clone, otherwise we would be playing WAR instead of DRK.

[gman1311]

Dark Knight needs crits! Problem solved!!!