We are in need of a official response to the healer situation

[EaMett]

I enjoy WHM.

Setting aside the fact WHMs have been complaining about the clipping and lack of weaving for ages AND have had a broken gauge all expansion. Your opinion is fine and you have WHM to fill your needs and desires. The rest of us no longer have any options and are naturally unhappy with getting boxed like this.

[reyre]

The same way Stormblood impacted Heavensward content. I do not see 100 posts a day saying that Alexander Normal is too easy/boring right now.

The question is, how many people are doing alex normal? otherwise that is kind of a pointless statement, since that is just a small part of the content.

[Laphael]

If healing is pure agony in all casual content you do daily, and only fun in latest Savage/EX/Ultimate that you do a few times a week, it's bad design.

I have had ppl in this forum basically tell me, that casual opinion doesn´t count at all and that only Savage/EX/Ultimate matters. Also it was about the same topic (healer changes).

[LariaKirin]

The question is, how many people are doing alex normal? otherwise that is kind of a pointless statement, since that is just a small part of the content.

Replace "Alexander Normal" with your choice of outdated content.

[reyre]

Replace "Alexander Normal" with your choice of outdated content.

So not only you dont get the point, but also adress a bigger issue "outdated content" for whom? the new players? the players that want to level up their clases with other than PotD or HoH? Players that do roulette? The simple fact that you consider content not 70-80 "oudated content" is an issue on itself, because the game is not only 70-80 despite what you might belive, so im going to take a stab in the dark here and say that by oudated content you mean content that doesnt get played as much? you mean from 1-70? that seems to be apretty big chunk of "oudated content"

[Gula]

What gets me is why many people seem to think they'll suddenly backtrack on launch like they don't have a million other things to balance at once. Yoshida still has interviews and Expos, as well as the Live Letter today, and programmers never. stop. programming. Something from ARR to HW probably is acting up and needs looking at as well as the Shad stuff.

Calm. Down. Try your veggies, actually try them instead of spitting on the table in anticipation.

[EaMett]

No, your complaints were just that for the most part complaints. Only a small handful of people provided meaningful feedback which got lost amidst the THIS SUCKS FIX IT rants of everyone else. The rest just did what the current group of people are doing now. Make fifty different threads all Complaining like children that their toy is broken and demanding a replacement post haste. To use the words of one of your own "Get rid of that sense of entitlement."

It's pretty cut and dry you either are going to heal because you love healing or you're not because you want it to be more "exciting" If the former keep healing and adapt to the changes if the latter then by all means quit healing and move onto something different. But whatever you all decide just do it and stop whinging every 6 hours.

P.S. I fully expect to banned for this post but seriously at this point it's probably a good thing I've never seen a more trite,self entitled, and jaded group of people than the Healers on this forum who can't even be bothered to put intelligible feedback in once they have ALL THE DATA.

I'm not going to go into this again, but feedback is feedback. Doesn't matter what kind it is. There are plenty of ressources out there on how to treat feedback, how to weigh it, what impact it has on your company, how many people are "silent" and what portion of your customer base the actual vocal community represents. A bunch of metrics and so forth. Etc..
Bottom line is making "fifty different threads all Complaining like children that their toy is broken and demanding a replacement post haste" is valid no matter how much it rubs you the wrong way.
And if you can't tell what changes (or lack of) the forums are upset about and why they are, then I don't know what to say.

When SB media tour info came out it was obvious from all the whining that Lilies wouldn't work because they required GCD healing and only sped up cooldowns that you saved for mechanics anyways. Anyone who couldn't see that probably shouldn't work in customer feedback.
It was equally clear over the past 2 years that WHM were not satisfied with the pDPS they had and were either expecting a boost or some rDPS options (and to some extent fix the clunkiness of the kit). Yet they still ignored that and took it even further down a notch by complying SCH to that model.

And yeah we're all here unhappy because we like healing. But "healing" isn't just that. It's what the design team decides it is. There are many flavors of healing and the game design in FF14 has promoted optimization through downtime. That was THEIR doing, and it's not something they can just move out of after 3 expansions of content.
Part of the reason has been that they want almost all aspects of the game to be accessible to many (including lower) tiers of skill. They accomplished this through low healing requirements for most content and this is a great idea (I truly believe it's part of the reason why FF14 has done so well). But it also means that you need to provide more downtime options for your design to be FUN.
Gamedesign 101 - gameplay player expression : offer risk/reward and optimization options (in a nutshell). They stripped both on SCH and we're rightfully complaining, I don't see what part of that is "entitled". It's customer feedback no matter how passionate it is.

[HyperiusUltima]

So not only you dont get the point, but also adress a bigger issue "outdated content" for whom? the new players? the players that want to level up their clases with other than PotD or HoH? Players that do roulette? The simple fact that you consider content not 70-80 "oudated content" is an issue on itself, because the game is not only 70-80 despite what you might belive, so im going to take a stab in the dark here and say that by oudated content you mean content that doesnt get played as much? you mean from 1-70? that seems to be apretty big chunk of "oudated content"

That's because IT IS. Look at Raid Tiers for example. People can still go back to the previous Savage Tier and run it, but it's easier because of the iLv difference or level difference. There's also the fact that with certain content it was built with a particular game build in mind. For instance, Coil was made with the ARR build in mind and with the changes coming, it may change how it is approached significantly on implementation of Shadowbringers due to the big healer rework and some mechanics might not resolve as they should since it was made with Lv 50 and an iLv Cap of 123 in mind.

[Feidam]

Except they haven't. The two data points we have, the lvl 73 dungeon and the Titania trial after show us that the "more healing" goal they're trying to achieve isn't happening. Players are healing in similar fashion to what's live currently.

If anything, the Titania trial shows us that the DPS check is too much which would be helped by the healers doing more damage. Damage that was taken away from us.

Regarding your comment on "fun"



One 30 second dot and one filler spell until mob is dead (two total damage buttons) from level 2 to level 80 is not my definition of "fun".

The difference here I’m seeing compared to you is healers dpsing and dps dieing. So healers need to heal more in theory. Dps needing to meet the dps check appears to be idea again. Again you are focused solely on the dps you want and not what you might have to be doing on the healing side. But they are clearly attempting to define the roles again.

I fully admit they could have missed the mark, however I am not going to be stomping my feet in a temper tantrum until I can supply feedback based on current play. At the end of day if you really want to make your point stop playing healers. That will give them a strong definitive metric. Thread after thread on the forums repeating the same thing does not accomplish anything when we know they will do nothing until the bulk of players try the content.

[reyre]

That's because IT IS. Look at Raid Tiers for example. People can still go back to the previous Savage Tier and run it, but it's easier because of the iLv difference or level difference. There's also the fact that with certain content it was built with a particular game build in mind. For instance, Coil was made with the ARR build in mind and with the changes coming, it may change how it is approached significantly on implementation of Shadowbringers due to the big healer rework and some mechanics might not resolve as they should since it was made with Lv 50 and an iLv Cap of 123 in mind.

So you are making my point for me, thanks? Like you said the content way back there was not made for how the clasess are today, very good insight. So when a new player has to go through the old DNGs i wonder how will it play out, because as you said the content is not made for how the clasess are now. But true outdated content is oudated no matter if is significantly longer than new content.