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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaethra View Post
    Because frivolous is subjective.

    Think about it. Lets say we're in a group. And I kick you. You report it because you feel wronged. What happens?

    They're going to look at the party chat. At the first glance they're going to see someone say hello/hi/hey as the dungeon starts. Then a vote kick. What do they action here? In the scenario I just gave, there is nothing said, nothing argued. Just that you poofed out of the dungeon because three people kicked. The GM has nothing to go on. At a glance it seems like a frivolous kick. But as we all know, not all communication is done in game. If I kick you in this scenario, its likely because I'm grouped with 1-2 friends on discord. You're likely never going to even know why. The reason will ultimately be irrelevant (reason may not even be related to this thread entirely).

    And this is important because the GM is very likely going to assume some out of game communication either happened. Or you did something that warranted a kick in the eyes of the group. You see there's two things at play here the GM will NOT get involved in.

    1. Out of Game communication. SE is not going to action people for activities outside their service. Plain and simple, my actions in my own discord are for me to police, not SE. Even actions that break the TOS/CoC/EULA they won't care nor ever know about. They will have to default to difference in playstyle. Because thats what that translates to in game.

    2. Unspoken event happened in play. Maybe you didn't heal when the players thought you should. DPS when you should have. Maybe you didn't do mechanics the way the group thought you should. Notice I didn't say you didn't do them right or wrong. But the way the rest of the group thought you should. You may be doing everything right. But the group has another idea. This also falls under difference in playstyle, you can be kicked for this.

    In either case no one is obligated to even tell you why they kicked you. That's the key part. Communication while desired, is not required. There is no duty of players to reconcile. Which is why it makes this whole thing subjective. And also why SE GMs are likely to err on the side of the majority.

    This is why only the most egregious reasons for kicking will be actioned. If you reported and they looked at the party chat and saw someone say,

    Otherwise its your word against theirs.
    its not a question of do you want to group with them, its a question of why they get to waste your time. If you are not a tank/healer, you may have have spent 10-30 minutes in queue, and however long in the dungeon before the kick. So why is the kickee paying the price in a random group finder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    its not a question of do you want to group with them, its a question of why they get to waste your time. If you are not a tank/healer, you may have have spent 10-30 minutes in queue, and however long in the dungeon before the kick. So why is the kickee paying the price in a random group finder?
    Because they were born the way they were and wish to do things the way they wish to do them. We don't get the option to change other people.

    The price being paid is because we failed as a society to live in a perfect system where this issue should never have come up. Instead relying on a dictatorship of the majority, aka democracy. We all pay that price one way or another.
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