WoW this, WoW that: Why are FFXIV forum users so obsessed with WoW refugees?

[Vahlnir]

I'm in the same boat I just don't see myself going back to WOW unless things turn around at least FFXIV has a better story to keep my attention and feels a lot less of a grind too and yes I know MMo's are suppose to be a grind but WOW just seems to double down on it now since Legion.

They only care about how much time people spend in game is why. Fun? Nah, who cares about that. Just keep people grinding away. The joke is on Acti-Blizz though. People are leaving in droves and have been for awhile now. A lot of people are excited for WoW Classic, the very first iteration of the game, and not the current version that has 15 years on Classic. I think that is both fascinating and alarming.

[Sasarayu]

Not I. WoW is in a terrible state right now. The latest expansion finally broke my addiction to it. As a result I have learned to appreciate the work the FF XIV devs do more, even if I may not always agree with the decisions being made.

I can tell just from your reasonable tone that you're a former WoW player and although I don't agree with you on everything I respect your opinion. You rarely see FFXIV players actually presenting arguments that aren't incredibly biased bordering on delusional when it comes to WoW VS FFXIV or things like skill cap, floor/ceiling or community/raids.

As a matter of fact the same thing happened with me in BfA. I used to thrash FFXIV so bad because I felt it backwards and discriminating but after the train wreck that is BfA I really do appreciate how unchanging and reliable FFXIV is. I still have big problems with a lot of the community but the game in itself has a slower pace and predictability I learned to appreciate more.

As an FFXIV player I am in a minority as someone who's both "fluent" in FFXIV while having done my share of WoW without favoring either game completely. I see the illiteracy of the WoW refugees but it doesn't annoy me one bit since I know part of the WoW spirit is also "git gud" and anyone who wants to actually take FFXIV seriously will study up eventually. Others just play it for lulz and that's okay too. It isn't like WoW refugees are destroying the game by presenting independent opinions and not abiding by unwritten Confucian FFXIV etiquette.

[Alestorm]

A lot of people are excited for WoW Classic, the very first iteration of the game, and not the current version that has 15 years on Classic. I think that is both fascinating and alarming.

It should be anyways, but I get the feeling classic wont last all that long. Between how grind-y it was, the whole attitude of the Blizzard crowd has changed for the worse, and once it's only streamers getting first clears on anything.... it'll begin the decline. No company should run to the past like this to hope and improve it's future viability.

All of Blizzard's games are dying now and they aren't interested in saving them. Milk them for the cash now and pull the plug when it dries up.

[Mingqin]

I played WoW from 2006-2019 without a break, it took literally one of the worst expansions in it's history to drive me away. I can however understand some concerns people in FFXIV community may have regarding WoW players though, for years Blizzard gave them everything on a plate, there was a time when the gearing process was similar to how it was in FFXIV, the top raiders and pvpers got the best gear, the casuals grinded out badges to buy decent item level stuff, pretty much how it is here, yet, I've seen people on other forums whining about how grindy that is.

The problem is they come here with a WoW mindset which means some people (not all) will expect the world, like they got in WoW and when that doesn't happen they resort to shitposting, I saw this happen with practically every MMO that's come out within the last decade, fortunately, I highly doubt SE or Yoshi will listen to these people so it's probably all good :P

A lot of people are excited for WoW Classic, the very first iteration of the game, and not the current version that has 15 years on Classic. I think that is both fascinating and alarming.

It's riding the hype train right now because of Asmongold and Sodapoppin streaming it frequently. I personally won't play it because I did that stuff back in 2006, I don't see what joy I can find out of playing it's old version that cannot advance or evolve. I also highly doubt it'll maintain long term success beyond the first couple of months, J Allen Brack may of very well been right in the end when he said " You think you do but you don't " but only time will answer that.

[NekoNova]

The problem is they come here with a WoW mindset which means some people (not all) will expect the world, like they got in WoW and when that doesn't happen they resort to shitposting, I saw this happen with practically every MMO that's come out within the last decade, fortunately, I highly doubt SE or Yoshi will listen to these people so it's probably all good :P

This is the core problem that I feel most of us have an issue with.
This is Final Fantasy XIV, not WoW or WoW 2.0, no matter how much people might want it to be.
You cannot leave WoW for another game and then expect that game to become WoW. Then stay with WoW?

[linay]

You cannot leave WoW for another game and then expect that game to become WoW. Then stay with WoW?

It's not always about becoming WoW, though. You can not enjoy what WoW has become overall yet still like certain parts of it and wish your new MMORPG would replicate those parts.

Similarly, as someone who has started playing WoW as a secondary MMORPG to FFXIV, there are things from FFXIV that I wish WoW has, but that doesn't meant I want WoW to be FFXIV. There is nothing wrong with wanting certain features across all the games you play in a certain genre while still appreciating their differences.

That said, other people can disagree, just like I would disagree with certain changes some people want for FFXIV and I also expect people to be against certain changes that I want for WoW.

[Kaitoo]

The "wow trash" I'm referring to are the toxic members of WoW. I would say ffxiv trash" when referring to the toxic members of FFXIV. No, that is not toxic.

And to be fair, you don't have to tell people in WoW to use XYZ skill because they only have like 2 or 3 to use. If you can't figure out how to play at a decent level in WoW, you're really just not even trying. I know that sounds a little elitist, but it's simplified to the point where a banana could play it. Which is sad.

man if you believe half of the nonsense u spouted here in this thread you clearly are one of the toxic members

[Reinha]

WoW is in a terrible state right now. The latest expansion finally broke my addiction to it. As a result I have learned to appreciate the work the FF XIV devs do more, even if I may not always agree with the decisions being made.

Same. I used to buy a month here and there around major patches after moving to FFXIV but finally I have no desire to go back. When they burnt my character's place of origin and a large portion of the race itself, it felt like a perfect example of how player enjoyment is secondary to the developers' vision and has been for a long time. The devs of FFXIV genuinely value the player experience and don't openly disrespect players.

I can't say why WoW players are a hot topic right now. Are people not aware that we have been joining this game throughout the past several years? The games or their cultures are not different enough to warrant panic about toxicity.

[Emmanellain]

"Wowrefugees" is just a meme, same as Greatcommunitybtw.

I used to play WoW for 7 yrs, and I've been playing FFXIV since 2013, so I jokingly use WoW-refugees as well as a relaxed joke.

Most people when they use the term they mean "people who come here from WoW recently, and want to morph FFXIV into something similar" at least that's how it comes off to me.

[TheUltimate3]

I can't say why WoW players are a hot topic right now. Are people not aware that we have been joining this game throughout the past several years? The games or their cultures are not different enough to warrant panic about toxicity.

As far as I'm aware, it's because there are just so many WoW players in general. WoW on a bad day still dwarfs most MMOs on the market, and now those players are jumping ship in numbers not seen since WoD post-launch. So when many people come running to the "second best" sub MMO, it makes people nervous.