I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Liam_Harper]

It's important to note it's not about the lv50 with a few low level accessories, or the new player who honestly didn't know and appreciates the info, or the player with appropriate gear who is missing one slot. It's the player with significantly low gear who knows exactly what they're doing, simply isn't bothered, will react aggressively and is expecting a carry. Even more, they choose group content, when PotD and HoH can be ran with no gear at all and Squadrons can easily carry you.

It surprises me that people feel not wanting to carry such a person is rude, elitist, disgusting behaviour, but walking into a team activity and expecting a group to do the bulk of the work for you while getting aggressive if they inquire is perfectly fine, healthy behaviour.

[NekoNova]

In the past that may be true in regards to the MB, we now have world visit now and can shop the MB else where unless prices are like that across all servers on your DC than I am sorry that sucks that rings cost that much where you are at. But seriously use the world visit, shop the MB elsewhere, its your gil, you worked hard for it, take it where you get the best value for it.

As for rings it stops at 28 as npc vendors will not sell anything in ARR at beyond that level not even in Mor Dhona. Level 38 rings are crafted. Then picks back up at 50. There are ring drops in HM dungeons but you are better off getting Iron works rings because you can augment them to an higher ilvl. I want to say 125. If you have Ishgard open for 51-60 characters you get amber things from leves that are used to get accessories like rings, necklaces, bracelets for 51-59. I want to say if I recall, you get coffers as well from quests that give primal accessories.

With the exception of the rings stopping at level 28 and then picking back up at lvl 38 and then from level 50ish. A lot of things are available to the player at little to no cost. Just requires a little effort on the player's part. Tomes are silly easy to get. leves are even more easy. In honesty its a good habit to try to stay current on your gear. I am just tired of seeing folks in weathered accessories at 35 and up (the brand new ring is good through 50 +3 all stats).

Not everyone levels crafters, and tomes require you to run the dungeons that reward them, WITHOUT getting kicked for having insufficient gear.
I'm currently in the same place with my Summoner. I'm leveling up my Summoner through all roullettes, and I'm getting levels so fast it's almost impossible to keep up with gear cause I don't make enough tomes, nor do I have time to spent crafting better gear.
So I do with what I have.

When your online time is limited, it's not so simple to get better gear on the fly, or even make the amount of gil needed to purchase certain items.
And as pointed out, having lower items isn't going to make that much difference in the dungeons, unless you're running with gear from level 10 or something in a level 60 dungeon.


I know some dungeons already enforce having a minimum ilvl score, and honestly I'd love to see this enforced on pretty much every dungeon in the game.
It's not going to stop people from equipping weird/wrong stuff to bear the score requirements, but it will probably be still more efficient than having nothing/ilvl10 pieces.

[Xtrasweettea]

Some people in this thread: It's only a small percentage of difference for damage. Being under-geared is fine a lower levels. Don't kick people just because of gear... have compassion.

So, those advocating for compassion to not kick badly geared players will also have the same stance for badly geared tanks?

[NekoNova]

Some people in this thread: It's only a small percentage of difference for damage. Being under-geared is fine a lower levels. Don't kick people just because of gear... have compassion.

So, those advocating for compassion to not kick badly geared players will also have the same stance for badly geared tanks?

If it's a leveling dungeon, not part of expert roulette? Yes

[ForteNightshade]

And someone, one time did carry you too.
Are you making perfect dps most of the times to be entitled saying you are carrying other players?

You're conflating two completely different things. Carrying someone because they are new is not the same carrying someone because they were too lazy to upgrade their gear or learn how their job functions. Now that isn't to say I'll kick them at the first sight of poor gear—I rarely kick, admittedly. If, however, I comment on it, and they dismiss me with nonsense like "it doesn't matter" or <insert curse word>. Why should I put up with that? They clearly know what they were doing and simply didn't care.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

Some people in this thread: It's only a small percentage of difference for damage. Being under-geared is fine a lower levels. Don't kick people just because of gear... have compassion.

So, those advocating for compassion to not kick badly geared players will also have the same stance for badly geared tanks?

Depends on the dungeon and what pieces of gear. If it's ARR and the left side is looking good, I can ignore it if the right is a bit behind as most of a tank's defense is on the left side. However, given the difference in stats between i270 and i280, I'm a lot less tolerant of it once you get in the high 60's.

[Xtrasweettea]

If it's a leveling dungeon, not part of expert roulette? Yes

Cool, so you have no problem with a Tank in level 15 Discipline of War gear running Arum Vale.

Good to know.

[Nezerius]

You should expect everything in lvling dungeons, the moment you queue into that duty you technically agreed to play with newbies/lvling guys or whatever else.

Considering most people will get into these leveling dungeons through roulettes, they should indeed be expecting everything when it comes to the actual content that the roulette picks
It should be expected that people at least grasp the basics on the game, which are explained before the first game is even unlocked. Heck, the third quest in the MSQ even tells you about upgrading your gear. This quest literally tells you to equip gear with an iLvl of 5 or higher in the head, body, hands, legs, and feet slots.

And someone, one time did carry you too.
Are you making perfect dps most of the times to be entitled saying you are carrying other players?

A new player is still capable of carrying their own weight. Also no one is asking for perfect dps.

I also like how you keep moving goalposts throughout the thread.

Going from "It's only 10% less dps" to "The thread isn't about extreme/savage content", followed by "Expect everything in leveling dungeons" and then suddenly changing to low level dungeons.

Laziness should be discouraged, not defended. If a player can be lazy early on, what'd stop them from being lazy at level cap?
If someone can't have "fun" in the game without putting a few minutes of thought into it, then maybe single player games would be more fitting to their playstyle.

[LaylaTsarra]

then maybe single player games would be more fitting to their playstyle.

Sounds like trusts may very well allow players to do much of the game solo. And relative to the OP I rarely see anyone getting kicked and I run a ton of content.

[Janhyua]

To all the player who think kicking people who wear under 10 level difference is wrong