Luminary tools- a real achievement

[TheVedis]

I've taken a look at your progress so far and you have yet to hit the plateau that will destroy your ambition. Picture a pool with a shallow and a deep end, or better yet, a lake where the point when the depth drops is sudden and immense. That's sort of what these achievements are like. There are alot of easy ones to keep you busy for a little while, fooling you into thinking you can do this. But once you hit that drop, the achievements become so vast in demand that your focus becomes skewed and defeat rears its ugly head. I'm approaching this point at the moment and it's not pleasant. I think maybe you will have a clearer idea of why there is so much backlash against this once you reach that point.

you dont know me very well if you think i will be detered by them at any point

granted there are a few im not gonna try very hard for(10k leves for example)

but ALL the gathering/crafting ones are fairly easy to get given enough time, and i dont have to race for them, but i will get them.

and ive actualy made some damn good progress in them, my progress however is so spread out over several that it may seem like ive done less then i actualy have.



but as i look to people, the backlash, as ive stated, is coming from a specific group of people, those being the people who got 50 and dont wanna do it anymore, they didnt craft to become a crafter, they crafted to get to 50, they didnt gather to earn gil on items they gather or to gather in itself, they gathered to get to 50


ALL of the pure crafter/gatherers ive talked to in game, and on here, those who seriously enjoy it, and leveled it cuz thats what they wanted to do, are more then willing to go back and do some of these easy achievments again.

everyone else sees it as busy work or worthless or a waste of time

we see it as a way to motivate us to go back and make materials, and farm items, while getting rewarded for doing so

[TheVedis]

1 thing after saw u spam so many post.
just stand out and say i didnt use any BOT or other help to get all these lvl 50, i just push the button 1by1 to get all lvl 50.
and i will click those buttons again.

the only person who not complained these DOL DOH achievement design is person who use BOOOOOOOOOT.

not a bot
anyone who knows me can more then confirm it(granted, if i WAS a bot, id have several of them by now already, so that alone should say something too)

actualy...thats an interesting idea, with how little time weve had to do all this im curious if anyone has done it yet, those are the people id be suspsicious of using less then legal means to do so.

[syntaxlies]

i wouldn't mind so much if the first 4 achievements when by lvl and only the 5 was for 3000 crafts. i would have had it if the took current players into perspective when designing, but like i said before SE dont care about the people playing the game now, they only care about the future.

Anyways im not gonna grind for some fancy hammer that i dont really even need so i guess i wont be getting it.

[Madruk]

not a bot
anyone who knows me can more then confirm it(granted, if i WAS a bot, id have several of them by now already, so that alone should say something too)

actualy...thats an interesting idea, with how little time weve had to do all this im curious if anyone has done it yet, those are the people id be suspsicious of using less then legal means to do so.

Not really hard with hasty hand. The gathering achievements (minus fishing with a bot), are the true timesinks.

[TheVedis]

Not really hard with hasty hand. The gathering achievements (minus fishing with a bot), are the true timesinks.

hasty hands doesnt speed up the 41-50 stuff as much, but yeah it does make the lower ones go real quick
but even then, the massive ammount of time and materials to get them is still pretty iffy, and people botting them probly have done so on more then 1 already

me...i think ive done most of the 1-20 stuff, have gotten halfway through some 21-30 stuff, but im waiting to farm materials for them all so thats the holdup
on my gathering, ive done most of the secondary stuff, and im focusing on mining which is done with g1-2, and im 1/3 on g3, and about to be 1/3 on g4
itl take a few weeks, but itl get done in time, and ill have a ton of material sin the process to make a nice fortune, or turn into stuff for my synthing achievemnts

[Madruk]

Depends on the craft really. Asm just like leveling up prior is the easiest and least time consuming. Just need a bunch of iron and shards (I think in the end its only 900ish iron ores). Shards you can buy almost purely from selling off the materia you make while doing 41-50 (iirc its like 250-300 synths per set of materia even with hasty hand).

Pick a synth in the 41-43 range if possible and you can hasty hand it. Did a bunch of gathering inbetween and sold off some mats and more materia to cover shard costs so your mileage may vary.

[TheVedis]

Depends on the craft really. Asm just like leveling up prior is the easiest and least time consuming. Just need a bunch of iron and shards (I think in the end its only 900ish iron ores). Shards you can buy almost purely from selling off the materia you make while doing 41-50 (iirc its like 250-300 synths per set of materia even with hasty hand).

Pick a synth in the 41-43 range if possible and you can hasty hand it.

problem with materia is im using them ALL(making tier 1s with bone rings while doing this all) so profiting off it really isnt an option

HOWEVER< im not exactly poor

will have to look into some of the recipes for the 41+ range, i know with alchemy and carp i already got my plans made

problem is with certain other crafts(such as armow and blacksmithing) some of the ranges SUCK SUCK SUCK for finding a good synth to spam(steel ingots arent exactly viable unless you have a ton of bomb ash lying around or want to farm it for a week)

but there are options regardless, and in some cases, like goldsmithing, im going to be making items to sell, so itl be paced based on how fast things sell and so on

[Xenor]

1. You CAN'T get the same results in Weathered Gears as you can in decent gears for your level. I learned this when I equipped a different gathering vest (sub-optimal) on my body thinking, 'Hey, while I'm out here chopping 1000's of trees, why not Spiritbond some stuff?' My rank 42 BTN dropped from being able to do 5 chops per grade 5 node to 3.
2. I really doubt we're getting a level cap increase anytime pre 2.0.
3. It is NOT that hard or impractical to get any of these tools if you actually are a gatherer/crafter. If however you just like having classes at rank 50 then yes, these are not the achievements for you. (A real gather or crafter will still of course take a bit of time to gain these tools BUT, they will work towards them naturally doing something they were doing anyway.)
4. Advertising that it is better to sell your character than actually play it probably isn't the wisest thing to do on SE's FFXIV forums...even if the forum reps are on vacation.
5. They are called Achievements for a reason...if everyone could have it and it was easy to get, what is the point?

6. Lastly, there are different ways of going about this that seem less grindy and more practical. So far, my BTN has made decent money selling the stuff I've gathered making the time I've spent harvesting worth a decent amount of gil...like so decent I'd go chop those nodes I don't even get exp for now even if I didn't get an achievement for it. Others have been using the mats they get doing there DOL to grind/level their DOH.
I got the first level of achievements done for my rank 50 CUL yesterday (I made some stacks of crafting food my rank 23 CRP can use). However since CUL gets new recipes with patch 1.21, I am waiting until I have new, fun recipes to work with to earn my golden frypan. But as a CUL I usually need to make low-mid level recipes to make the ingrediants I need for higher ranked synths. By making my own lower level mats to craft higher ranked food items, I'm again earning credits in more achievement slots AND lining my pockets with gil (or at least saving some).
And again, this is work/crafting I usually did anyway. Which goes back to 'if you think it's that much of a chore, then you really weren't a dedicated gatherer/crafter anyway and these aren't the tools for you.'

1. Can't you? I've levelled fishing all the way to 48 without gathering gear. I know that you get less hits per node with bad gear but what I said in my post was you get the same items. I don't care so much about getting 1 or 2 less hits per node when I have a chocobo to get me from A to B rather quickly.

2. It was mentioned in the 1.19 patch notes that certain materials like gold ore will return from patch 1.21. Where are they going to put these without upping the level cap? It makes perfect sense for gold to be the next tier metal above cobalt. It would be a waste to cram it into the same level range. Of course only SE knows for sure what their plans are but I would not be surprised at all if the cap goes up in February.

3. I am a crafter/gatherer, I'm sitting here with well over 400 million gil, you don't get that without being a dedicated crafter/gatherer. Yet I am still strongly against these. I made a lot of gil logging back in the summer on grade 4 in Cedarwood. While that would have earned me the grade 4 achievement for La Noscea it would not have earned me any of the others. A real gatherer will gather the materials they need or want to sell and there is absolutely no profit to be made by going back to a lower grade in 90% of cases. Grade 4 logging being a better money maker than grade 5 was an exception rather than the norm. As a miner I only ever mined grade 5 once I hit 38 because it was stupid not to. Likewise with crafting, I'm not going to make any gil by producing 1000 rank 30 items, I'm going to make gil producing +3 end-game weapons or similar. There is no incentive to produce gear no one wants unless skilling up. There's a reason I NPCed about 1000 yew half masks/silver rings etc. back in the day rather than selling them. I'm almost certain by GSM and CRP would have these achievements if things counted. I can't say that for my others because the progress was mostly leve based and in a lot of cases after the massive EXP boosts. But it doesn't take a genious to figure out a formula to credit people based on when they reached rank 50.

4. You probably have a point there but my point still stands that it would be stupid to do this on a character with all 50s when you could end up with two characters with every class at 50. Crafting and gathering is not fun in its current state, no one wishes to repeat a year of that. I can only tolerate grinding crafts via leves these days because it's so painfully slow to do it without leves, something you'll have to do to get these tools. Since you love it so much perhaps you can log into my account and get my tools for me too.

5. There's better ways to make an achievement difficult to get without making it the least form of gameplay imaginable. Where's my achievement for making 1000 HQs? Far better than endlessly grinding no? The achievements aren't even difficult, just time consuming. Time sink != difficulty.

6. I believe I already covered this in 3.

[Actionhero]

A simple fix to this might be adding craft an item 1-10+, 10-20+ ect.... I've been working on this achievement and have been just spamming leves using hasty hands. It would be much more satisfactory if we could just craft things want to craft. its would be less tedious if we can craft a 50-60 and it would add to anything lower total because its obvious we can do so if we wanted to use our time on low level items that well never use. what do you all think?

[syntaxlies]

hasty hands doesnt speed up the 41-50 stuff as much, but yeah it does make the lower ones go real quick
but even then, the massive ammount of time and materials to get them is still pretty iffy, and people botting them probly have done so on more then 1 already

me...i think ive done most of the 1-20 stuff, have gotten halfway through some 21-30 stuff, but im waiting to farm materials for them all so thats the holdup
on my gathering, ive done most of the secondary stuff, and im focusing on mining which is done with g1-2, and im 1/3 on g3, and about to be 1/3 on g4
itl take a few weeks, but itl get done in time, and ill have a ton of material sin the process to make a nice fortune, or turn into stuff for my synthing achievemnts

speak for your self, i hasty handed my way from 45-50 in a few days doing leves.(ihad 99 leve allowances so if i failed one i could redo it on spot thogh)