Why Energy Drain is so important for SCH gameplay

[Grimoire-M]

Energy Drain and Quickened Aetherflow are both gone. QA is the bigger nerf, and will return SCH's aetherflow management to their HW/ARR days where you're conservative rather than actively spamming it at every opportunity because of Quickened Aetherflow. It's a good change to make room for the new fairy cooldowns.

Miasma II's been replaced both in power and spam capability by Ruin II and Art of War, and that should compensate for much of what Energy Drain used to do given you're likely weaving fairy cooldowns in addition to aetherflow now if the pet changes are what I think they are and force you to use an instant- GCD. It hurts SCH's new DPS potential but their general playstyle of oGCD heals + DPS GCDs over healing GCDs is still intact.

They're fine. It's WHM and AST that are still a big problem, in that they suck compared to SCH at this kind of DPS uptime still.

[Selova]

Exactly! But not only ED, also Miasma and make AoW a DoT like Miasma 2. Like seriously, why did they even prune all that? Do they want to lose the whole SCH playerbase? The changes do not even make sense. Homogenization is never a good way for "balance"!

They aren't going to give scholar's back those abilities because it made zero sense for scholars to have them to begin with. They've been wanting to separate scholars from summoners for years now, anyone with any sense saw this change coming. They aren't going to lose the entire SCH player base, the forums and reddit combined don't even make up 1% of the games population. I'm honestly hoping the increased damage from mobs and bosses is substantial, if only to get rid of the complaints that a HEALER is ruined because they lost DPS abilities. It blows my mind how people can't understand how ridiculous this sounds.

[Sighearth]

They aren't going to give scholar's back those abilities because it made zero sense for scholars to have them to begin with. They've been wanting to separate scholars from summoners for years now, anyone with any sense saw this change coming. They aren't going to lose the entire SCH player base, the forums and reddit combined don't even make up 1% of the games population. I'm honestly hoping the increased damage from mobs and bosses is substantial, if only to get rid of the complaints that a HEALER is ruined because they lost DPS abilities. It blows my mind how people can't understand how ridiculous this sounds.

Did you read the original post? It doesnt need to be "Energy Drain" we need any oGCD that consumes aetherflow to do damage. Its not about losing DPS abilities is about losing gameplay depth and an optimization paradigm. Its all about how can you best contribute to the party in the best way possible. A job is only entertaining if there is room to improve on it.

[Pseudochrome]

They aren't going to give scholar's back those abilities because it made zero sense for scholars to have them to begin with. They've been wanting to separate scholars from summoners for years now, anyone with any sense saw this change coming. They aren't going to lose the entire SCH player base, the forums and reddit combined don't even make up 1% of the games population. I'm honestly hoping the increased damage from mobs and bosses is substantial, if only to get rid of the complaints that a HEALER is ruined because they lost DPS abilities. It blows my mind how people can't understand how ridiculous this sounds.

did it make zero sense, or did it just not align with your personal belief on how healer should play in xiv? as said before by multiple people, wasting a stack on overhealing not needed is still a waste of a stack. it's bad optimization they nerfed for no reason other than some people going "i don't like that people want me to use my offensive tool kit when i don't need to heal!" that doesn't change anything so long as there's a possibility that this stack is wasted. it'll happen no matter how much you think increased enemy damage will change that, and unless they give it back or give us an alternate, it's going to be a waste of a stack or delayed CD /shrug

[EaMett]

I'm honestly hoping the increased damage from mobs and bosses is substantial, if only to get rid of the complaints that a HEALER is ruined because they lost DPS abilities. It blows my mind how people can't understand how ridiculous this sounds.

This comment is already lopsided. There's no way they would up the damage output to the level of current ultimate fights. And even IF they did you're still dpsing 80% of the time. For a class to feel good it's essential that the DPS aspect of the class be somewhat comfortable. There's a reason why some healers have asked for more complex dps options in this very forum.

Somehow they turned a class with intricate weaving and good flow into suddenly ending up where WHM was/is (which everyone was already complaining about and wanting to have changed and hoping after 4 years that ShB would be the point they did something about it). What are we doing, going back on 4 years of gameplay improvements?

For good comfort SCH is in dire need of a dps af dump ogcd skill and something to do while AoE spamming, because that's going to be the most monotonous gameplay to date.

[RyuDragnier]

What IMO is actually going to happen is we're going to be tossing away stacks on overhealing with lustrate to still ensure we're popping aetherflow off cooldown because we still need the mp regen. Just as wasteful still but slightly different strat. Maybe raid encounters will be more healing intensive that it won't be a waste, but I don't have high hopes at SE's track record on fight choreography

Aetherflow no longer restores MP. To compensate, Lucid Dreaming is now on a 60s cooldown.

Something I'd expect SE to do, tbh.

[Pseudochrome]

Aetherflow no longer restores MP. To compensate, Lucid Dreaming is now on a 60s cooldown.

Something I'd expect SE to do, tbh.

Please no ;-;

[Freerider]

If they don't want us to do dmg with energy drain just give me the option to use it without doing dmg. Give me like 5 fairy gauge off it and some slight mp or something. It doesn't need to be strong just give me a way to dump those stacks.

[Ilenya]

So I was thinking about potential options for an Aetherflow dump, and I was wondering. Would a "Burn 1 Aetherflow to gain 20 faerie gauge" be enough? It's not a lot, and really only serves as giving us more healing options, but it'd be *something*.

[kobe-sabi]

they could atleast give us 3.0 Atherflow back 20% mp return, because from the dungeon play preview, when i saw Mr Happy hit that Lucid Dream the mp tick return was garbage and this is with artifact gear and weapon on.