Kneejerk reaction to PLD changes.

[Ivellior]

Sheltron need gauge so it's definitely not a 5 second recast.
They also nerfed Sentinel, removed bulwark, Convalescene (which was originally a PLD cooldown before giving to other tanks), awareness (which was originally a PLD cooldown before giving to other tanks), tempered will was also nerfed (and given to everyone else).
They pretty much gutted PLD defenses.

[Cabalabob]

You do have 20% mitigation when covering as an OT. This is because the mitigation trait that replaces tank stance's 20% mitigation is still there when off tanking.

It's not as if PLD ever needed the 20% mitigation when covering

That’s not the point. Why spend 50 gauge on cover when you can spend 50 gauge on intervention? Or just provoke and spend 50 gauge on sheltron? There’s no advantage to using cover anymore. When it offered 20% mitigation you could use that + a mitigation tool and it was giving you way more mitigation than intervention or sheltron. while the 2min recast made it so intervention wasn’t invalidated because it could be used in the time between covers.

Now you might as well just use intervention because it offers at least 10% mitigation where cover offers nothing for the same price and if you use cover + rampart you’re getting 20% mitigation (the same mitigation the MT would get from you using intervention + rampart).

The only time cover is better than intervention when covering another tank is with sentinel because it offers 30% mitigation compared to interventions 25% (10% + 15% half of sentinel’s new value) so cover + sentinel gives you a whole 5% mitigation over intervention + sentinel. WOW! *eye roll*

If you have 100 gauge (for some odd reason) then yes you can cover + sentinel + sheltron and it might be worth you taking the buster instead of the MT, but that still raises the question of “why not just swap and use sentinel + sheltron and have 50 gauge to spend on another sheltron?”.

So the only time cover is worth using really is on someone other than a tank. Which is niche at best. Situations like ranged taking the tether in O11s comes to mind.

[DWolfwood]

Ahaha. Sh*tpost where this guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. OP, go look at more videos and study them more, then comeback. PLD has comparable defenses, DPS, and still more utility. If you're that worried about what is probably a mistake in the potency difference between Shield Lob and the other tank pullers, you're playing this game wrong. Even if they left that in the game, you will never miss that 30 enmity potency.

[Edgedy]

Ahaha. Sh*tpost where this guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. OP, go look at more videos and study them more, then comeback. PLD has comparable defenses, DPS, and still more utility. If you're that worried about what is probably a mistake in the potency difference between Shield Lob and the other tank pullers, you're playing this game wrong. Even if they left that in the game, you will never miss that 30 enmity potency.

Okay, if we were to count the number of total skills that Paladin, Gunbreaker, Warrior, and Dark Knight had. Which do you think has the least number of abilities now?

We're down to 25 skills. (not including rampart) we have lost to date, awareness, bulwark, convalescence, tempered will, stoneskin, protect, bloodbath.

Now you might say but everyone else lost bloodbath, convalescence, and stoneskin, but the fact is that we've lost more skills without being replaced and giving them to all the other tanks and our versions are weaker then the other tanks versions. That is the primary reason that Paladin is no longer as viable as a tank as say for example, Gunbreaker. The other jobs, specifically warrior, has maintained all of their utility, while Paladin continues to lose comparatively so that a healer would rather heal another tank. Because sheltron alone does not address all of the other losses of utility that paladin has had to lose.

[Jeeqbit]

I've used Cover on DPS and healers plenty of times to save their life.

A difference with Cover is the duration, which may be more practical in some situations.

Intervention being better assumes the MT is at full health. What if they are at 5% when the tankbuster is coming?

The MT is also eating autoattacks while you as the OT probably have full health.

We can also consider that the MT might be undergeared and have less health than you.

All these scenarios could make Cover better and safer.

But otherwise you could have a point.

[Cabalabob]

I've used Cover on DPS and healers plenty of times to save their life.

A difference with Cover is the duration, which may be more practical in some situations.

Intervention being better assumes the MT is at full health. What if they are at 5% when the tankbuster is coming?

The MT is also eating autoattacks while you as the OT probably have full health.

We can also consider that the MT might be undergeared and have less health than you.

All these scenarios could make Cover better and safer.

But otherwise you could have a point.

All of those scenarios make provoke better and safer. Which of those scenarios is like that and you can’t take over as MT other than forced swap mechanics, which would likely prevent cover from being useful too?

As for covering dps and heals, like I said it’s niche at best. There is no scenario where a dps or healer is meant to be taking damage they can’t survive without cover outside of unconventional strats like mentioned with 11s. Cover before SB was niche, no one used it outside of things going horribly wrong. SB brought it to the front where it belonged as PLDs defining ability through the FF series. Now shadowbringers is sending it back to niche status.

[Izsha]

So much bad info. Sio is still 90 sec. Not 60. Complaining about potency and war dps? Royal authority has higher pot than fell cleave. Have you even looked at the crazy potencies pld has vs other tanks? No. You havent read the tooltips or you would have seen the sio CD, the low potency war combos, the massive potency gains on common actions pld has. The massive air damage boost. The mp gains. The new high damage actions. All their actions are very, very high on balance. Pld has shorter duration assists but can still stack Cds with intervention which is massive. They still have multiple party mit tools. They have a dps gain 2 charge gap closer which beats the crap out of the ever lauded, and now bottom tier onslaught.

You can sit there and count abilities since 2.0 old lost but that is an utterly meaningless number. Pld didnt even have a magic rotation or more than 1 combo back then. Pld has gained a boatload of new stylish and powerful actions for offense and support over the years and all you see is "waaaah convalescence is gone".

Knee jerk indeed. So jerked you didnt read all 4 tanks tooltip before ranting. Pld was the top tank for stormblood and still looks to be very solid in shadowbringers. If you want to trade that for convalescence be my guest.

[Ivellior]

Tanks are supposed to tank, if you want to dps play dps.
In which world is it ok to play a tank and loose defensive cooldowns?

[Izsha]

Every tank lost defensive cds. They streamlined defense for everyone into rampart. 30% 2min action. 5-7 sec duration, under 30 sec recast, 20ish% mit action. Immunity.

The lost cds are made up for by each ot tank being able to assist the mt with various actions. Tanks can give out shields, regens, and mitigation to the other tank.

Tanks are now a unit that work together to mitigate instead of just a wall of personal mit. They can all support their party with aoe assist and their partner with single target assist and have the same core mitigation abilities.

You didnt loose mitigation, it was replaced by your cotank instead of hoarded by pld so it is no longer trapped as the only viable OT.

When you MT as pld now, your ot can dramatically assist you. That was not true before.

Mitigation just stopped being a selfish endeavor and is now based on teamwork. That's a positive step imo.

Oh no I lost some mit (like everyone else!) Well here's a 25% hp shield from drk. 10% mit and regen from war. Regen and smaller shield from gun. Theres your 'lost' mitigation.

[Ivellior]

So you trade 4-5 defensive cool downs for one.
How about keeping the cooldowns and getting an extra one?
I mean, I do play tank, so I expect either def cool downs or utility as new skills not dmg.