The new Mogstation items represent a painful period for Koreans, please read.

[Shougun]

I am not defending any poor actions in history and maybe you can inform me further, since you made the nazi comparison (which I don't know how apt it is).. but were these clothes in Japan as well or were these clothes made exclusively for the Koreans during Japanese occupation?

Because if these were just clothes that they also foisted upon the Koreans then unfortunately I think it's a "don't buy it, it may have a dark history but we should move on". Now if these were made exclusively for the Koreans during occupation, then I would see it more like a Nazi Uniform.. which would be a very strange thing to introduce to the game indeed. Although from an outsider knowing little (am aware of what Japan did, not aware of clothes and stuff).. the clothes do look "nice" to me.

I guess in other words if someone with pants came in and did terrible things and gave the people they did bad things to pants, then later there was a game with pants.. I would say it sucks (in a level that many of us can't comprehend) but that it's still just clothing and we shouldn't abandon stuff just because it may have been associated very very negatively previously.

Like if I decide to poison a word by using it negatively, should you let me steal the word away from you or should you tell people to get over my negativity and with a bit of chagrin move forward even though I attempted to poison things. Personally I think we will lose a lot of things if we just let people poison stuff, so I'm more of that we must move on type (but I am not suggesting that's easy or you should be excited/happy about it). Now of course if it's exclusively used in a negative context and never once was anything else.. it would be.. a very weird addition to the game.

[Enla]

This is just a style of clothing and not a specific uniform right? The comparison to a nazi uniform feels a bit off, when this would be more like what germans wore at the time if I'm understanding the story correctly here. I don't doubt that the occupation was horrific and I wouldn't want it to be forgotten. But it's been 74 years since the end of WW2. If it were a nazu/military uniform, or a uniform of some kind in particular, I'd get it, but is this just the general style that was popular at the time? Because that's very different from a uniform if I'm understanding the parallels here.

The issue there is that Japan hasn't really ever properly apologized for a lot of what happened. There's been attempts at half apologies in the sense they've given a pittance of monetary compensation, but then they turn around and demand cities outside of Japan take down memorials to the atrocities. That incident I linked was just last year by the by. Comfort women in particular are a sore spot that Japan is really not keen on acknowledging. Often saying the girls taken were paid prostitutes.

Personally I don't think the outfit should be removed, but I do encourage people to better inform themselves on the time period so they can ethically consume what SE is providing and make an informed choice as to whether or not they want to buy it.

[LyraKuroneko]

It has nothing to do with a nazi uniform, it is a school uniform.

It is badly connoted in Korea because the uniform and the japanese culture as a whole was imposed back then.

If you want people to pay attention, don't spread missinformation to begin with. While I won't defend what been done back then. Leave this OUT of the GAME.
This, let me remind you, is a game. IRL stuff got nothing to with it.

Thank you.

[Kurando]

One thing to note is certain types of Nazi gear and items are actually banned to be used/worn in Germany (and I think Austria too), so not quite the same. If Korea truly felt so strongly about these Far Eastern items just added, they would probably also have a similar ban, but you know they don't because they are actually pretty beautiful to look at. You don't need to associate old history with them, but nicer things and how you move forward to the future.

[Souljacker]

This is just a style of clothing and not a specific uniform right? The comparison to a nazi uniform feels a bit off, when this would be more like what germans wore at the time if I'm understanding the story correctly here. I don't doubt that the occupation was horrific and I wouldn't want it to be forgotten. But it's been 74 years since the end of WW2. If it were a nazu/military uniform, or a uniform of some kind in particular, I'd get it, but is this just the general style that was popular at the time? Because that's very different from a uniform if I'm understanding the parallels here.

It's hard to put yourself in someone else's shoes unless you are also a person whose identity has been erased at some point or another. I might 'get it' more being a part of the lgbt community who has also seen some kinds of erasure happen.

What it represents is an erasure of a human being as a human being. Imagine being enslaved and forced to wear something your master demanded you wear because they are trying to kill your identity and reprogram your mind to identify with them instead. It might be hard to imagine for some folks but I hope that you try for a moment to think about what that feels like.

An occupation is no joke. Occupiers are not friendly people trying to make life better for the folks they just conquered.

[Nedkel]

If you really want to reach to the devs you may want to write it in Japanese on their part of forum.
You have higher chances to find a unicorn than a dev in english forums.

[LastLevel]

Doesn’t matter what you say on here since majority of the posters here are sheep in herds, honestly. If you request for something to be changed or removed, they’ll tell you “no, leave the devs alone!”

If you want something added/implemented that’s not already in the game, they will say “no, the devs don’t owe you anything.” Most of them are boot lickers, and have no opinion of their own. But, that outfit won’t get removed, so don’t expect it to. 100% chance it will stay.

[Atticon]

By that logic Victorian and Edwardian era European dress should receive the same stamp of disapproval because of colonialism, racism, sexism, imperialism, eugenics, etc etc etc. I don't see that happening.

This may seem a harsh and even cruel thing to say but it has to be said: the world does not revolve solely around past sins and perceived insults. The Taisho era, and Showa beyond, was a terrible time for Korea, but it was the roaring 20's of Japan, with a unique aesthetic of eclictic blending of East and West. You can't see them seperately, but you also shouldn't throw away the baby with the bathwater.

It is important to be informed about this, but at this point, a century later, feeling insulted about it being included in a videogame is a choice you make yourself.

[Melichoir]

Im aware of the historical implications of Japan and their conquest prior to the start of WWII in Europe. But Im...kinda not seeing the point of the twitter and tumblr users. Someone can clear this up for me though. My take away based on what they were saying was "These are school uniforms of an era where Japan was being hardcore imperialistic and forcing their culture down other culture's throats." I can see why that is upsetting to some extent, but I think I get lost at teh analogy with the nazi uniform. The Nazi uniform was a MILITARY UNIFORM and strictly represented the militarism, ideology, and actions of nazi germany and the third reich. A school uniform from Japan (which appears a bit informal, but Im lacking context personally) during that period is not quite the same. A closer analogy would be a school uniform during nazi germany.

I think, atleast from my perspective, there is to much reading into this. Particularly from the Japanese perspective/Korean perspective. In Korea, this is viewed one way, in Japan it's veiwed another. The 'to much reading' aspect comes more across as "They put this into the game specifically to offend and remind us of painful memories", rather than this was just something that may have been geared towards Japanese players but was available to everyone.

Again, that was my take away from the posts. I can semi understand the point, but I think it might be a little to much reading into it and making a false equivalence. If Im misunderstanding the posts though, someone just clear that up for me please.

[Penthea]

It's hard to put yourself in someone else's shoes unless you are also a person whose identity has been erased at some point or another. I might 'get it' more being a part of the lgbt community who has also seen some kinds of erasure happen.

What it represents is an erasure of a human being as a human being. Imagine being enslaved and forced to wear something your master demanded you wear because they are trying to kill your identity and reprogram your mind to identify with them instead. It might be hard to imagine for some folks but I hope that you try for a moment to think about what that feels like.

An occupation is no joke. Occupiers are not friendly people trying to make life better for the folks they just conquered.

From what I understand the japanese outfit in question is a civilian outfit. My country, Ireland, has a history of 800 years of oppression from Britain. The irish don't get offended if they happen to see british civilian clothing from within that period in a game or whatever.

I am absolutely not trying to downplay the oppression the Koreans went through, but it is misleading to compare civilian clothing to a military uniform. I understand that some koreans were forced to wear these outfits but then this means a more appropriate comparison, to use WW2 again, would be the Star of David symbol that the jews were forced to wear.