Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

It's not so much about having non-existent AOE at that point, to be honest. It's more the fact that Copperbell is the only dungeon that I can think of off the top of my head where the mobs obnoxiously leash. Then they ping pong back and forth between someone in the party and releashing and going invulnerable and getting all their HP back and back to the party and releashing and going invulnerable - that, and there's just like. What? Two areas where you can big pull? The wooden bridges and the very end caverns. It's not even worth it, to be honest.

Also, is it Blizzard II that is the THM/BLM bind + close aoe? Why do I see THM/BLMs in a dungeon who will just... stand as far away as possible from the mobs and cast Blizzard II? It's no good there. Run into the mobs. Cast it there. Granted I don't know anything at all about BLM but... that seems the correct thing to do instead of bringing a sudden halt to your DPS 'cause it's not hitting any enemies.

Blizzard 2 is a Point Blank AE that is mostly for soft crowd control as it's damage is almost non-existant but it has a bind component. In a game where crowd control is virtually never used, you're probably better off just using Blizzard 1 until mana recovers enough to go back into casting Fire 2. Using Blizzard 2 is a surefire way to spot somebody is new to the class and game because most BLM's just stop using it after a couple dungeons.

[Raldo]

Blizzard 2 is a Point Blank AE that is mostly for soft crowd control as it's damage is almost non-existant but it has a bind component. In a game where crowd control is virtually never used, you're probably better off just using Blizzard 1 until mana recovers enough to go back into casting Fire 2. Using Blizzard 2 is a surefire way to spot somebody is new to the class and game because most BLM's just stop using it after a couple dungeons.

While you're not necessarily wrong, in low level situations where stuff drops like flies, I find Bliz2 to be quite helpful when I can't guarantee that my target will necessarily be alive much longer. It also beats Bliz1 at 4+ targets, but that doesn't happen all that often.

[Keddera_StormMoon]

While you're not necessarily wrong, in low level situations where stuff drops like flies, I find Bliz2 to be quite helpful when I can't guarantee that my target will necessarily be alive much longer.

It's potency is only 50 though when the single target is 180. And while carrying Umbral Ice your damage is already pretty reduced. But I see what you're saying. In the low level stuff, efficiency is not even close to a big deal.

[Nononu]

Yeah, that's what I was getting at - if it's low potency, okay, and I know CC is non-existent for most content, but. Why spam it away from mobs? Why not just use Bliz 1? And even if it's low potency, I still figure doing teensy damage is better than doing... none? But I'm really bad at DPS, haven't really tried BLM much, so forgive my stupidity.

[Tarandel]

A while ago I ran Castrum in MSQ, the short one.
Got no new player message so as expected everything went smoothly until the last boss first phase where something catched my eye
A healer stood in the middle of the room and danced
"Why are you dancing?" I asked
"There's no need for heals and the boss is invulnerable" she said.
While that may be correct Is there really a reason to be so lazy?
"Adds?" I said to which she said nothing and kept dancing
She could at least helped with killing the adds, necessary or not.
We all want to get out of this dungeon as soon as possible so at least pretend like you're doing something

[linay]

But the healer wasn't forcing the tank to do anything. There was no talk of "hey tank! Get these enemies off me that I pulled!" and (judging by the apparent competence of the healer in question) there wouldn't have been because that healer would know that even if they were holding threat on an entire trash pack they were still fine.

The healer brought adds back to the party, forcing tank and the rest of the party to deal with them unless they want to just use single target ability.

The tank doesn't have any right to be the first one to hit something as long as the person going before the tank understands that they're going to take a few smacks to the face in the process. In a lot of content this isn't viable because the healer may not be good enough to keep multiple people alive or the enemies may hit for too much damage; since nether was the case here the tank's complaint boils down to "I'm the tank let me go first" which is just throwing a temper tantrum for no reason.

Either you tank what you pull or tanks have to do their job and keep all adds focused on them. If it's the latter, then the tank has the absolute right to decide the pull unless the tank is pulling bigger than the party can handle.

[Veis_Alveare]

The healer brought adds back to the party, forcing tank and the rest of the party to deal with them unless they want to just use single target ability. Either you tank what you pull or tanks have to do their job and keep all adds focused on them. If it's the latter, then the tank has the absolute right to decide the pull unless the tank is pulling bigger than the party can handle.

Read my post and the initial healer post again. No one told the tank to grab the enemies.

Maybe the healer wanted to AoE, they have just as much right to decide that as the tank does to decide he wants to single target.

I would agree with all of you if the healer had pulled for the tank and then yelled at him for not taking enmity on everything because that would be rude and if you pull it you should be ready to tank it... but by all records the healer was so your argument loses any validity.

[Cincierta]

Just ran a dusk vigil party to level up an alt dps, had a tank in near full noct on the left side, a few pieces of augmented ironworks on the right (why is it all the bad tanks I've had so far have come from Exodus? Or is it just my luck?)

Decides to mass pull without telling the rest of us, and goes splat, followed by me. Pld tank blames healer's weapon being too low ilvl (the healer had a gardua weapon) when everything else was perfectly fine, even though the healer and I pointed out the pld tank (who was not only stance-dancing during the first hallway) that they were undergeared as an important role as politely as we could, he still decides to be a bit of a jerk throughout the dungeon.

'Damn, Lamia must be something else.' says the returnee tank.

Well, I think the problem wasn't with us when everyone else was at level or better gear. Kinda your fault for not communicating things with the rest of us so we could get ready for the completely avoidable mess that was made.

[linay]

Read my post and the initial healer post again. No one told the tank to grab the enemies.

Maybe the healer wanted to AoE, they have just as much right to decide that as the tank does to decide he wants to single target.

I would agree with all of you if the healer had pulled for the tank and then yelled at him for not taking enmity on everything because that would be rude and if you pull it you should be ready to tank it... but by all records the healer was so your argument loses any validity.

You don't have to say anything when your action speaks for you. If you bring adds to the party, what is the party supposed to do? Move away from you?

[Callinon]

You don't have to say anything when your action speaks for you. If you bring adds to the party, what is the party supposed to do? Move away from you?

I have literally done exactly that when someone's pulled for me. I very carefully tanked around the thing(s) they pulled until they're on the ground... THEN I notice the extra pack and do things about it.

If I'm tanking, I'm pulling. If you pull it, I won't notice... intentionally.

NB: I do say something first. The above applies to the second time it happens.