Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Namallama]

Ran Sirensong Sea on an alt for MSQ, as WHM. The WAR, who had every class maxed, spent the first portion of the dungeon without his stance on and his HP held up about as well as tissue paper in a thunderstorm. He also felt that since he was the tank, that meant he could survive just standing in enemy attacks even when there was plenty of time to move. We wiped once due to this and I spent about 90% of the time healing that laziness; there were some pulls where if I didn't heal constantly, he would've most certainly died.

However, the real issue was the BRD. WAR noticed their TP was pretty high and pulls were slow to die, asked if they were using AoE. "Yeah, of course. I've been doing it." Do the first boss and we all noticed there wasn't a single Venomous Bite or Windbite during the whole encounter. WAR asks again, "Hey, where are the DoTs? There wasn't even one. You were auto attacking most of the time." And yeah, I only recall seeing Straight Shot and Heavy Shot.

BRD immediately says we're elitist for suggesting he use the bare minimum of his kit and said he wasn't gonna argue with us over it. Ended up vote kicking him and getting an RDM who burned through pulls.

Like, no one's asking you to be top tier, but at level 60+ you should know better. There was no indication they were a sprout. We were asking for two attacks that are essential to even basic BRD play. The entitlement was astounding. If you wanna play that way solo, it's whatever, but don't bring that into group settings.

[Sanctify]

Got kicked from 50/60 roulette this morning. The story goes like this.

Que pops, its xelphatol. I think "dope, I love this dungeon the pulls are fun and it's a fast dungeon". I'm on WHM, I protect the party and the WAR runs to the first group.... and stops. I throw regen on him and poke him 2 or 3 times and tell him he can mass pull. No response. So being the kind dude I am I spring to the other groups, snag them, and bring them back to him. Drop an asylum after I throw another regen on him and proceed to aero 3 and holy spam/assize in all its glory.

After that's said and done I see him type in party "this is your only warning, don't pull I'm the tank". I kinda scoff but politely respond with "I only pulled because you weren't man, we all outgear this content. No need to turn a 12-13min run into a 30min run." I'm not with "so? It's my time too." So I come back with "you should respect other people's time as well". I'm met with a flat "no." And once we get to the first boss -you have been dismissed from the duty- so clearly he was running with his clique lol.

Needless to say, that's the hardest I've laughed today. The incompetence of some people is utterly mindblowing to me at times. He didn't have trouble grabbing the ads I brought back and I had no problem healing him (was mostly just regen healing him between holy spam anyway). So my question is, why would someone act that asinine instead of asking themselves "maybe I am going slow? This healer obviously isnt having any issues maybe I can use this as a chance to practice doing big pulls?" If they are somewhat inexperienced and since it is pretty much expected for a tank (at least I feel it is) to be able to perform adequate pulls and not drag a run out longer than it needs be? But no, let's be children and be like "yOu don't pAy mY sUb sToP rUiNiNg mY ExPeRIEnCe". God I love DF hahaha.

[SturmChurro]

Got kicked from 50/60 roulette this morning. The story goes like this.

Que pops, its xelphatol. I think "dope, I love this dungeon the pulls are fun and it's a fast dungeon". I'm on WHM, I protect the party and the WAR runs to the first group.... and stops. I throw regen on him and poke him 2 or 3 times and tell him he can mass pull. No response. So being the kind dude I am I spring to the other groups, snag them, and bring them back to him. Drop an asylum after I throw another regen on him and proceed to aero 3 and holy spam/assize in all its glory.

After that's said and done I see him type in party "this is your only warning, don't pull I'm the tank". I kinda scoff but politely respond with "I only pulled because you weren't man, we all outgear this content. No need to turn a 12-13min run into a 30min run." I'm not with "so? It's my time too." So I come back with "you should respect other people's time as well". I'm met with a flat "no." And once we get to the first boss -you have been dismissed from the duty- so clearly he was running with his clique lol.

Needless to say, that's the hardest I've laughed today. The incompetence of some people is utterly mindblowing to me at times. He didn't have trouble grabbing the ads I brought back and I had no problem healing him (was mostly just regen healing him between holy spam anyway). So my question is, why would someone act that asinine instead of asking themselves "maybe I am going slow? This healer obviously isnt having any issues maybe I can use this as a chance to practice doing big pulls?" If they are somewhat inexperienced and since it is pretty much expected for a tank (at least I feel it is) to be able to perform adequate pulls and not drag a run out longer than it needs be? But no, let's be children and be like "yOu don't pAy mY sUb sToP rUiNiNg mY ExPeRIEnCe". God I love DF hahaha.

Wait, so you were pulling adds for the tank, and you were surprised you got kicked?

[Hash_Browns]

Got kicked from 50/60 roulette this morning. The story goes like this.

Que pops, its xelphatol. I think "dope, I love this dungeon the pulls are fun and it's a fast dungeon". I'm on WHM, I protect the party and the WAR runs to the first group.... and stops. I throw regen on him and poke him 2 or 3 times and tell him he can mass pull. No response. So being the kind dude I am I spring to the other groups, snag them, and bring them back to him. Drop an asylum after I throw another regen on him and proceed to aero 3 and holy spam/assize in all its glory.

After that's said and done I see him type in party "this is your only warning, don't pull I'm the tank". I kinda scoff but politely respond with "I only pulled because you weren't man, we all outgear this content. No need to turn a 12-13min run into a 30min run." I'm not with "so? It's my time too." So I come back with "you should respect other people's time as well". I'm met with a flat "no." And once we get to the first boss -you have been dismissed from the duty- so clearly he was running with his clique lol.

Needless to say, that's the hardest I've laughed today. The incompetence of some people is utterly mindblowing to me at times. He didn't have trouble grabbing the ads I brought back and I had no problem healing him (was mostly just regen healing him between holy spam anyway). So my question is, why would someone act that asinine instead of asking themselves "maybe I am going slow? This healer obviously isnt having any issues maybe I can use this as a chance to practice doing big pulls?" If they are somewhat inexperienced and since it is pretty much expected for a tank (at least I feel it is) to be able to perform adequate pulls and not drag a run out longer than it needs be? But no, let's be children and be like "yOu don't pAy mY sUb sToP rUiNiNg mY ExPeRIEnCe". God I love DF hahaha.

Their are a lot of people who believe that the tank is solely responsible for setting the pace of the dungeon. Although I don't agree with the method of pulling for the tank, I do agree 1 group is low.

Needless to say, I'm about to grab some popcorn - because stuff like this gets salty responses here.

[Aramina]

I prefer larger pulls myself, and I wouldn't have initiated a kick, but I would have agreed if someone else put it up.

[griffinborn]

Got kicked from 50/60 roulette this morning. The story goes like this.

Que pops, its xelphatol. I think "dope, I love this dungeon the pulls are fun and it's a fast dungeon". I'm on WHM, I protect the party and the WAR runs to the first group.... and stops. I throw regen on him and poke him 2 or 3 times and tell him he can mass pull. No response. So being the kind dude I am I spring to the other groups, snag them, and bring them back to him. Drop an asylum after I throw another regen on him and proceed to aero 3 and holy spam/assize in all its glory.

After that's said and done I see him type in party "this is your only warning, don't pull I'm the tank". I kinda scoff but politely respond with "I only pulled because you weren't man, we all outgear this content. No need to turn a 12-13min run into a 30min run." I'm not with "so? It's my time too." So I come back with "you should respect other people's time as well". I'm met with a flat "no." And once we get to the first boss -you have been dismissed from the duty- so clearly he was running with his clique lol.

Needless to say, that's the hardest I've laughed today. The incompetence of some people is utterly mindblowing to me at times. He didn't have trouble grabbing the ads I brought back and I had no problem healing him (was mostly just regen healing him between holy spam anyway). So my question is, why would someone act that asinine instead of asking themselves "maybe I am going slow? This healer obviously isnt having any issues maybe I can use this as a chance to practice doing big pulls?" If they are somewhat inexperienced and since it is pretty much expected for a tank (at least I feel it is) to be able to perform adequate pulls and not drag a run out longer than it needs be? But no, let's be children and be like "yOu don't pAy mY sUb sToP rUiNiNg mY ExPeRIEnCe". God I love DF hahaha.

I wouldn't have kicked you for the first offense, at least. lmao

[Sanctify]

Let me follow up with this.

Never, and I mean never, have I tanked a dungeon and the heal says "stop, don't do big pulls". That doesnt mean that I haven't been in a situation where I do and a healer cant keep up and a wipe happens. But I just shrug it off and tell myself "guess I gotta hold back this run" or the healer will say "my bad" admitting a fault and insinuating that they just goofed and it's okay to go again.

What I don't do is reach into my entitlement bag and and pull out a "this is your one warning healer, you better be able to heal these big pulls.". Why? Because that would be ridiculous. I respect other people's time. And it baffles me that some people have zero respect when the shoes on the other foot lol. If he would have said something from the start like "I'm still really new and don't feel comfortable with big pulls" I feel that would be pretty acceptable. But no, we were all over geared and he had no problems wrangling the ads I brought, he just didn't want to do it. Which i find incredibly rude and a disregard for other people's time.

[van_arn]

Got kicked from 50/60 roulette this morning. The story goes like this.

Que pops, its xelphatol. I think "dope, I love this dungeon the pulls are fun and it's a fast dungeon". I'm on WHM, I protect the party and the WAR runs to the first group.... and stops. I throw regen on him and poke him 2 or 3 times and tell him he can mass pull. No response. So being the kind dude I am I spring to the other groups, snag them, and bring them back to him. Drop an asylum after I throw another regen on him and proceed to aero 3 and holy spam/assize in all its glory.

After that's said and done I see him type in party "this is your only warning, don't pull I'm the tank". I kinda scoff but politely respond with "I only pulled because you weren't man, we all outgear this content. No need to turn a 12-13min run into a 30min run." I'm not with "so? It's my time too." So I come back with "you should respect other people's time as well". I'm met with a flat "no." And once we get to the first boss -you have been dismissed from the duty- so clearly he was running with his clique lol.

Needless to say, that's the hardest I've laughed today. The incompetence of some people is utterly mindblowing to me at times. He didn't have trouble grabbing the ads I brought back and I had no problem healing him (was mostly just regen healing him between holy spam anyway). So my question is, why would someone act that asinine instead of asking themselves "maybe I am going slow? This healer obviously isnt having any issues maybe I can use this as a chance to practice doing big pulls?" If they are somewhat inexperienced and since it is pretty much expected for a tank (at least I feel it is) to be able to perform adequate pulls and not drag a run out longer than it needs be? But no, let's be children and be like "yOu don't pAy mY sUb sToP rUiNiNg mY ExPeRIEnCe". God I love DF hahaha.

You dodged a bullet, I hope they got a true content respecting healer as a replacement that could barely keep the tank alive.

Coming from another healer, most tanks don't care if you help pull for them-- they only care if someone dies. So keep on keeping on making these tanks uncomfortable as long as you can handle the healing.

Remember rescue can help them get to the adds if they don't want to pick them up.

[Aramina]

I can't judge if people were overgeared, as I wasn't there. I just don't agree with forcing someone to do something that they are not comfortable with. Eg: I had a tank in St. Mocianne's (sp?) Hard the other day that was pulling one set of things at a time. After the first couple I said "You can pull more if you like, or if not that is fine too." He said he had just returned to the game and was readjusting to tanking so I said "All good then." then he says "but I will try pulling more". Which he did and aggro was a little sketchy in some places but overall not bad. Point being he could pull more, and he had the gear to pull more, but rather than force the issue I let him decide and ended up getting the pull size I wanted in the end.

[kidalutz]

Let me follow up with this.

Never, and I mean never, have I tanked a dungeon and the heal says "stop, don't do big pulls". That doesnt mean that I haven't been in a situation where I do and a healer cant keep up and a wipe happens. But I just shrug it off and tell myself "guess I gotta hold back this run" or the healer will say "my bad" admitting a fault and insinuating that they just goofed and it's okay to go again.

What I don't do is reach into my entitlement bag and and pull out a "this is your one warning healer, you better be able to heal these big pulls.". Why? Because that would be ridiculous. I respect other people's time. And it baffles me that some people have zero respect when the shoes on the other foot lol. If he would have said something from the start like "I'm still really new and don't feel comfortable with big pulls" I feel that would be pretty acceptable. But no, we were all over geared and he had no problems wrangling the ads I brought, he just didn't want to do it. Which i find incredibly rude and a disregard for other people's time.

Except apparently at least one to two other people aside from the tank were either fine with the Tanks pace or possibly didn't appreciate the mouthing off when you got snippy right back with the tank in the morning. So when others are fine with the pace even if its slower than you yourself would like just deal.