About Party Member Kicking...

[Noitems]

I’ve only been kicked once.
Because they didn’t like that I was DPSing as WHM.

The irony I like to see is that you were probably doing the same if not more DPS then the actual DPS themselves.

[galbsadi]

Before I begin, there are two things I should make clear:

-This is not a rant/venting/comedic thread. Forums are for discussion. I'm here to discuss.

-I take pride in not being a "terribad" player, but I am the very first to admit that I could improve my play style in many ways. Also, I am usually the first one to admit my mistakes.

Anyway, here goes...

I see complaints about unjust kicks everywhere. Not just here, or on Reddit. I see them everywhere. Now, whether or not they're truly unjust is, at least in my opinion, irrelevant to what I'm about to ask.

Right. I'm not asking about who is right and who is wrong, but rather - how do these posters manage to get into these situations in the first place? I'm genuinely asking here and not being sarcastic or whatever.

I started this game not knowing anything about traditional MMOs and have worked myself up slowly ever since, and as such, have ranged everywhere from "I have no idea what to do" all the way to "I have a moderate grasp on fundamental gameplay concepts for this game." Not once has a kick ever gone through for me with me as the subject. Maybe somebody has tried it at some point, but I've never been removed from a party.

So why is that? Am I just lucky? Is it because I tend to not say much? Because I'm a DPS? I mean, I'm sure somebody has had a beef with me somewhere along the line. Am I missing something?

I'd argue it's relatively rare. I played actively from 2.0-2.2/2.3ish, took a break through HW, came back and have been relatively active since 4.0...and I've been kicked from a group exactly once (not counting DC's, although surprisingly those often don't lead to a kick in my experience) in this game across that time...and that was frankly a case of bad luck (grouped with 3 trolls from the same guild)...I let Squeenix handle that one.

By comparison, having played WoW, I'd get kicked on average about once every week or two (and ALWAYS kicked if I DC'd). Having played ESO it was common that groups would kick for any reason or no reason (or "you don't have enough CP to run this entry-level dungeon"). In SWTOR it'd be less than WoW, more than FFXIV. Other games I typically only played with people I was friends with, so I can't speak to those.

TL;DR: We actually have a pretty good community here, in my experience.

(Also, highly doubt it's due to role...note that I'm max level everything on this toon [and lv61+ everything on my main alt, and lv20+ everything on my secondary alt]...I've played all roles in pretty much all standard content [haven't done savage raiding or extreme trials much this xpac due to school, though, so YMMV there].)
By comparison, in WoW, I'd get kicked at least once a month, usually closer to about once every week or two.

[Soraki-Muppe]

I have been kicked once, and that was on my alt, and this is once out of thousand of dungeon runs.
Was during 2.x so some time ago. I was playing as ninja and the group got stuck on a boss due to low dps, and of course the blame was thrown my way since the other dps seemed to know the healer. Thing is I had a parser running, I did not say anything about it since I used it to see how I was doing... and well, so, ya, my dps was 2x the rest of the group, not that I am a particularly good dps, I was decent back in the day, just that the rest of that group was really bad. Anyways I kept my mouth shut about the dps and suggested trying another tactic only to get kicked from the group.

But to get kicked without a good reason you need to run into some a-holes, or as in my one case, a-holes that also happen to be idiots.

[Yllania]

Move faster to kick the tank in this situation.

Your inaction was interpreted as your compliance with them taking it out on the healer.

I dont immediately try to kick people over an argument, Im sorry you want to twist things so you can blame me for other people being twats instead of you know, them. I wasn't inactive I defended the healer in the argument and voted no, you cant start another vote kick in the middle of one already started. I then left when it went through because I wasnt going to support that, so "inactive" is a dumb thing to say.

Dead on the money, peoples inaction in these situations really have an impact and mostly for the worse

You guys are hilarious. How about holding the one responsible for it, the guys who did it, responsible. Its always everyone elses fault besides the ones who did it.

[Skivvy]

I will generally only go along with a kick request if the player in question is being an absolute jerk face, or if they've been afk for half the run. I think I've said "yes" about 3-4 times in all my years. I personally don't mind varying skill levels, and I think as healer I'm in the best position to help salvage any potentially bad runs.

Like some others have said, if a person is getting kicked on a regular basis, I do have to wonder how they're behaving in their runs..

[Raldo]

I see complaints about unjust kicks everywhere. Not just here, or on Reddit. I see them everywhere. Now, whether or not they're truly unjust is, at least in my opinion, irrelevant to what I'm about to ask.

Right. I'm not asking about who is right and who is wrong, but rather - how do these posters manage to get into these situations in the first place? I'm genuinely asking here and not being sarcastic or whatever.

I suspect the simple answer here is selection bias. If you ever ask a large enough community "Hey has anyone ever dealt with XYZ?" and suddenly you'll feel like XYZ is super common because everyone has their own weird story to tell about it, but in reality, each post tends to be a single person cherry-picking their most noteworthy story to tell over several years of experiences. You'll get a lot of interesting stories, sure, but I doubt many people would say "this happens all the time!"

For me, excluding kicking people for being offline, I use the kick option on other online players maybe 1~2 times PER CALENDAR YEAR. They'll get if...
- I suspect them to be a bot (lack of use of a majority of their abilities, weird behavior, and no communication to defend their actions)
- Prolonged harassment
- Absolutely abysmal performance and/or gear (like, REALLY really we-would-do-just-as-well-if-you-weren't-here bad)

I could tell you the story of a summoner in Sohm Al (Lv53) who seemed to have a penchant for triggering pulls before the tank. They did not cast anything but Ruin. They did not defend themselves when accused of being a bot. They were booted just before the first boss. I could tell you the story of a tank in Dusk Vigil (Lv51) who had an average iLevel roughly around i45. They died in SECONDS to the first trash pull. After two wipes, they were kicked. These are the only noteworthy tales I have to tell, and I've been playing for years. Most of my kick stories would be something like "I could see on my minimap that this person in PvP was just hiding in a corner doing nothing for several minutes. I kicked them for leeching."

In the past couple weeks, I have seen Lv70 RDMs not using Scatter on giant trash pulls. I have seen BLMs whose rotation was F3 until out of MP > B3 until full MP. I did not kick these people.

As far as being kicked myself, I've been kicked only once that I can recall, and it was because the impatient DPS were harassing my wife who was new to tanking. Heated words were exchanged. They kicked me before I could kick them.

[ALG4]

I dont immediately try to kick people over an argument, Im sorry you want to twist things so you can blame me for other people being twats instead of you know, them. I wasn't inactive I defended the healer in the argument and voted no, you cant start another vote kick in the middle of one already started. I then left when it went through because I wasnt going to support that, so "inactive" is a dumb thing to say.



You guys are hilarious. How about holding the one responsible for it, the guys who did it, responsible. Its always everyone elses fault besides the ones who did it.

That's the point we're trying to make, that person could of used somebody to chime and help. Not sure if you did or not (from the story it doesn't seem so), if you didn't then yes hold yourself to your own standard and hold the person bullying accountable.

[Greven]

Well the question of the OP is not how often it happens but what are the reasons it never happened to him.

From the people, for how little of them there are, who had an experience they can share we all can get an idea.

Actually not only them, it seems someone reasoning is like the first that kicks win, or like, don't engage in conversations or don't go alone.

Following these it feels like the community is horrible and made by the worst people capable of using a PC/PS4 but only there you apply the knowledge that it's a rare event to be kicked.

[Jollyy5]

I was once kicked before the last boss in Dusk Vigil while I was leveling up my Monk, I only ever greeted everyone at the beginning of the dungeon, as you do, didn't stand in AoE's and was first in DPS while also supporting the healer with Mantra, never pulled aggro either.

I can only assume they were a group of friends who wanted to replace me with another the get them a clear or something...

[Yllania]

That's the point we're trying to make, that person could of used somebody to chime and help. Not sure if you did or not (from the story it doesn't seem so), if you didn't then yes hold yourself to your own standard and hold the person bullying accountable.

I do hold myself to my own standard, youre the one trying to force yours onto me because I didnt kick them immediately. I clarified what I did in the post you just quoted. Since you need it again apparently, I argued, voted no, then left. Stop trying to act like I did absolutely nothing and leave me alone, people like you are part of the problem because you blame others and even the victims and Im so tired of it. "You should have done this and its your fault what happened because you didnt." It is not my responsibility for how others act nor is it anyone elses besides the person who is acting.

I posted the story to say that undeserved kicks happen, and you guys try to use it as a personal attack? Get lost.