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  1. #20491
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    SaitoHikari's Avatar
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    Saito Hikari
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    Sargatanas
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I didn't know that, if you let Ultima, the High Seraph live long enough, she just spams Redemption. Until today. I found out today. I found out very intimately. That was something else. Truly.
    Can vouch for this as I was in the same run but in a different party, what basically happened was that our DPS going into her final phase was super low, and somehow two of the bird raidwide AoEs managed to go off, nearly wiping the entire raid. A healer LB3 was used, but nearly everyone in our party immediately died again due to a combination of people not avoiding AoEs or too many unavoidable AoEs + poor management of the blood drain tether (I was the highest DPS in the raid you damn Samurai, I'm not gonna forget you hauling ass halfway across the battlefield to pass the tether to me when you could have just gone to the closer off-tanks and I had an unavoidable pink marker AoE on myself and I was already at half HP - and all just so you could save yourself).

    During that phase, she just rapid fire spams the same mechanics pattern over and over again, Diabolos in Dun Scaith style, so the fight basically turned into a zombie mass raise alliance having the same two tanks getting constantly rezzed and tank bustered to death, with a DPS getting caught in between from time to time. It just goes Redemption -> line aoe + blood drain tether + purple marker AoEs + floor circle AoEs -> Redemption -> bird markers + purple marker AoEs -> Redemption -> repeat. Or well, some variation of that. Thing is the tank busters come out so frequently in that phase that the tanks straight up run out of mitigation. We probably spent like 2-3 minutes in that phase before we were finally able to kill her, and I'm surprised we didn't wipe with how she was just picking everyone off one by one with the tankbusters.
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    Last edited by SaitoHikari; 05-11-2019 at 01:35 PM.
    "Consider this old adage: When a Bard sings alone in a desert, and no one is around to hear him... Is he truly singing?"

  2. #20492
    Player
    RainbowThis's Avatar
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    Te' Ata
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    Zalera
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    Bard Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by Aosha View Post
    Hold up... I thought you can't see vote kicks that are initiated against yourself until they are resolved?
    All I know is I saw a notice pop up saying “wait for new member role: Tank: Y/N” and of course I clicked no. Or something else happened and I got really really confused because I was trying to drag mobs off of the DRG at the same time. If I wasn’t being vote kicked and it was something else I’d love to know what it was.
    (0)

  3. #20493
    Player
    HyoMinPark's Avatar
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    Hyomin Park
    World
    Cactuar
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    Sage Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by RainbowThis View Post
    All I know is I saw a notice pop up saying “wait for new member role: Tank: Y/N” and of course I clicked no. Or something else happened and I got really really confused because I was trying to drag mobs off of the DRG at the same time. If I wasn’t being vote kicked and it was something else I’d love to know what it was.
    A dialogue like that usually appears after someone has either left the duty or been removed from it via Vote Dismissal. It’s a prompt for the current leader of the party to open up an in-progress queue so that someone else can fill in the empty spot. If you were the tank, though, you would never see a dialogue box like that in a 4-man dungeon, as there is only one tank spot—this was in Cutter’s Cry, yes?

    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    Can vouch for this as I was in the same run but in a different party, what basically happened was that our DPS going into her final phase was super low, and somehow two of the bird raidwide AoEs managed to go off, nearly wiping the entire raid. A healer LB3 was used, but nearly everyone in our party immediately died again due to a combination of people not avoiding AoEs or too many unavoidable AoEs + poor management of the blood drain tether (I was the highest DPS in the raid you damn Samurai, I'm not gonna forget you hauling ass halfway across the battlefield to pass the tether to me when you could have just gone to the closer off-tanks and I had an unavoidable pink marker AoE on myself and I was already at half HP - and all just so you could save yourself).

    During that phase, she just rapid fire spams the same mechanics pattern over and over again, Diabolos in Dun Scaith style, so the fight basically turned into a zombie mass raise alliance having the same two tanks getting constantly rezzed and tank bustered to death, with a DPS getting caught in between from time to time. It just goes Redemption -> line aoe + blood drain tether + purple marker AoEs + floor circle AoEs -> Redemption -> bird markers + purple marker AoEs -> Redemption -> repeat. Or well, some variation of that. Thing is the tank busters come out so frequently in that phase that the tanks straight up run out of mitigation. We probably spent like 2-3 minutes in that phase before we were finally able to kill her, and I'm surprised we didn't wipe with how she was just picking everyone off one by one with the tankbusters.
    I literally can’t even be mad about the sudden mess that Ultima was. XD At the end there, it was literally:

    My BFF on DRK > Bustered
    PLD from other Alliance > Bustered
    Me (WHM) > Bustered
    My BRD friend > Bustered

    We wanted an Orbonne meme, and boy, did Orbonne deliver!
    (5)
    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 05-11-2019 at 02:29 PM.
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  4. #20494
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    SaitoHikari's Avatar
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    Saito Hikari
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    Sargatanas
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    A dialogue like that usually appears after someone has either left the duty or been removed from it via Vote Dismissal. It’s a prompt for the current leader of the party to open up an in-progress queue so that someone else can fill in the empty spot. If you were the tank, though, you would never see a dialogue box like that in a 4-man dungeon, as there is only one tank spot—this was in Cutter’s Cry, yes?



    I literally can’t even be mad about the sudden mess that Ultima was. XD At the end there, it was literally:

    My BFF on DRK > Bustered
    PLD from other Alliance > Bustered
    Me (WHM) > Bustered
    My BRD friend > Bustered

    We wanted an Orbonne meme, and boy, did Orbonne deliver!
    I took 130k damage. She didn't just want me dead, she wanted me deleted from existence.

    She cast the tank buster 14 times that fight. 10 of those times were in the last 2 minutes of the fight. At one point she even casts it twice in a 15 second window, with only a single auto attack separating the two.
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    Last edited by SaitoHikari; 05-11-2019 at 04:14 PM.
    "Consider this old adage: When a Bard sings alone in a desert, and no one is around to hear him... Is he truly singing?"

  5. #20495
    Player Veis_Alveare's Avatar
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    Veis Alve'are
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I literally can’t even be mad about the sudden mess that Ultima was. XD At the end there, it was literally:

    My BFF on DRK > Bustered
    PLD from other Alliance > Bustered
    Me (WHM) > Bustered
    My BRD friend > Bustered

    We wanted an Orbonne meme, and boy, did Orbonne deliver!
    I can't lie it's kind of refreshing that someone had a hard time with something that wasn't TG Cid in there for once.

    I've had remarkably competent parties for quite some time now, not the greatest dps but I've had cohealers that more or less kept things afloat on their own (even if they weren't really doing any damage) and I haven't needed to raise a ton so I thought I'd try out my guilty pleasure in the higher end of casual content and I went into Orbonne on DRG.

    I don't know where to start really. It was a struggle bus from start to finish.

    Let's talk about how every dps I tried to tether myself to ran away from me! I know I don't lose my buff but I still found myself chasing them feeling like "No! You take this free damage I'm giving you!" I eventually settled for tethering our SCH since, while sassy, she was dpsing and didn't run away.

    Healers! We had a SCH and a dead WHM. I qualify that the WHM was dead because he was dead for legitimately more than half the time. I don't know if it was his first time (didn't see a bonus) or he was being played by a 5 year old (his only contribution to chat was seemingly gibberish) but I do know even with me voting to dismiss him we couldn't get him gone. The SCH was much better at staying alive (and for the most part kept me alive too, apparently tether is good bribery) but wasn't so good at the healing. She was playing like she was in a raid setting with a competent cohealer when she was actually paired with a lead weight tied to all our feet. At one point the SCH did let us all die to doom on TG Cid because she just refused to spam Succor.

    So we had one selfish healer and one party slot we couldn't fill because it was a placeholder for an idiot!

    The final surprise was a combo of exceptionally low dps for the entire raid (on the times we cleared dps checks the gagues were generally around 95+) and a real lack of enmity generation from the tanks. Our tank I understood, he had an Antiquated weapon on which was super cool and not at all a d*ck move, but the others?

    As someone who only kind of knows how to play DRG and has never done so in anything resembling a raid setting I should not need to Elusive more or less on CD to avoid tankbusters and yet here I am typing that accursed sentence. At one point I dared complain about this and was told that if I didn't want the boss I should "unequip that savage weapon you tryhard." so... yeah, that exists?

    I'm pretty sure it wasn't this bad when I was healing. I'm pretty sure it wasn't this bad when I was RDMing. Apparently the solution is for competent people to only que on support roles or as RDM so that they can carry the bag of lumpy potatoes that is the general population across the finish line no matter how hard they are trying to avoid it.
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  6. #20496
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 90
    Haven't left a party in a long time but today I really wasn't in the mood to see this through.

    Queued for Aurum Vale on my SCH alt, always a nice dungeon to practise a new healer as it requires a bit more awareness than the others. Adloqed the tank when the last mob was about to die to give some breathing room for the next pull.

    Shortly before the 1st boss the tank ran into the next group fairly quickly and when Adloq hit, he had already pulled and every single mob beelined for me. He caught 4 of 6 before they reached me, two continued to chew on me. Tried to keep us both alive, but with two mobs hitting me several casts got interrupted and the tank died. Ressed him right away and we managed the pull without further death.
    Wrote "sorry had a mob chewing on me ^^'".
    Which resulted in the tank calling me a liar and saying that I only nearly got killed because I was standing in stuff, that I only had aggro after I let him die and that I'm insulting him. He was getting more aggressive by the minute.
    One dps even tried to peel the mobs which means he definitely saw that I had aggro but wrote "my god stfu and play holy shit" (directed at me, not the tank).

    That's when I decided that I wasn't in the mood to continue with them.
    I don't mind hiccups and mistakes (still getting into SCH myself) during a run but this sort of behavious isn't something I needed.
    Not when I can easily fill 30min with way more pleasent things.
    I told them that I would leave after the next pull so they knew not to pull and left. Probably would've taken around 15min tops to finish the dungeon but with both the tank and the dps acting like I insultet their whole bloodline that wasn't worth it for me.
    Made some coffee, did my crafter dailys and had a good time
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  7. #20497
    Player
    Khorchi's Avatar
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    The Scrub
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by SaitoHikari View Post
    I took 130k damage. She didn't just want me dead, she wanted me deleted from existence.
    *Gets destroyed for 130,000 damage*
    -
    *your body falls through the world and you get instantly 90k'd*
    -
    *You relog and think about life*
    -
    *You load in and respawn @ level 69*

    Gee-zaas. 130k? I wanna find out if that crits... Ho boy that number will be big.

    ____
    On an unrelated note:
    If you're a tank in Haukke Manor with 2 fresh Lvl 28 Puglists & an Astro and you pull half the dungeon then complain that there's no AoEs going out and nothing is dying fast enough and that we should all "learn our classes"...
    maybe you shouldn't be wearing a Burger King crown.
    When I, as someone who has been playing the game a LOT less than you have... Have to correct you, the everything Lvl 70 MENTOR... on what moves unlock at what level, don't try and justify that you're right because we still aren't DPSing high enough and this run is going to take longer.
    I am SO SORRY... I didn't realise you had a plane to catch and we needed to complete this dungeon in 10 mins flat. Let me just flick the switch at YoshiP's House that gives these 2 PGLs a 500% damage up boost...
    And if you leave after I say that, you shall be included in my own personal list of an unspecified colour.

    Also,
    Kudos to that Lvl 34 DRK from Gilga ❤️ you made the run 50x easier because you wanted to chill and pull small anyway.
    Take my comm!
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  8. #20498
    Player
    Aosha's Avatar
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    Aosha Koz'ain
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post
    Let's talk about how every dps I tried to tether myself to ran away from me!
    Ah, a perfect summation of my time playing Dragoon anywhere ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post
    if I didn't want the boss I should "unequip that savage weapon you tryhard."
    wat

    Quote Originally Posted by Khorchi View Post
    If you're a tank in Haukke Manor with 2 fresh Lvl 28 Puglists & an Astro and you pull half the dungeon then complain that there's no AoEs going out and nothing is dying fast enough and that we should all "learn our classes"...
    /sigh, stuff like this is why I've memorized at what level each job gets their AoE... To not make an ass out of myself...
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  9. #20499
    Player
    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Khorchi View Post
    If you're a tank in Haukke Manor with 2 fresh Lvl 28 Puglists & an Astro and you pull half the dungeon then complain that there's no AoEs going out and nothing is dying fast enough and that we should all "learn our classes"...
    Had something similiar happen when I did Haukke on my 28 CNJ.
    Tank pulled several groups at once, I spammed Cure1 like there's no tomorrow but he died. As expected.
    When we respawned he wrote "u better start using cure2...". I told him I don't have it yet. "u do. know ur skills geez"
    Dps chimed in that CNJ gets Cure2 at 30.

    And now comes the best part: "then gtfo and dont queue for haukke if u dont have the skills"
    Mate. Wut? That's not how it works.
    Pulling 3 groups at once when only one dps has aoe and can't even keep it up for long just makes no sense.
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  10. #20500
    Player
    Fenefab's Avatar
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    Asha Amariyo
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 30
    I keep meeting white mages who have no clue about overhealing and who in the beginning of the dungeon cast medica 2 immediately after protect and then proceed to wonder why they're getting aggro at every single pull. I just had a whm who kept medica 2'ing our party constantly when everyone was at full health and got aggro of every single mob.

    I also meet a lot of bards who for some reason spam warden's paean on themselves on cooldown as if it's supposed to be a part of bard rotation. Idk if this is from some badly written guide or something because it's really common for some reason? Also bards who use Peloton because they think it works like refresh/tactician... please read your tooltips
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