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  1. #41
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    Desia Demarseille
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko View Post
    I wouldn't say you are wrong but on the other end saying he is, isn't quite right either.

    My interpretation of this would be that the time pass but not the year. As stupid as it may sound.

    (He is no dev btw).
    Wasnt sure if he was or not, so I kinda did a catch all. Im not saying some of the story takes place within a year, or even most of what weve seen thus far. It's plausible. My point is as time goes on and more content gets jammed in, that plausibility is gonna get really ridiculous. Honestly, I thin that answer makes things more difficult than easy. I get that its a "Dont think about it" answer, but its one of those answers that just makes it all even more confusing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crushnight View Post
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    That would work...kinda, except that time would still be progressing forward. Like I get if they need to insert content into an 'earlier phase'. Its like a wierd little adendum/retcon. Its minor in that regards. But the overall MSQ is where things get hung up. Even if you break down each section into time bubbles, time still progresses. As an example, if arr is 4 months, hw is 4 months, and SB is 4 months, an entire year has just passed. And that means ShB cannot be in the same year as ARR, but the following year at that point. Its plausible some of the MSQ happens in one year, but as more gets added, that being probable starts to fall apart. Itd eventually become the example I was trying to illustrate : You wouldnt say the entirety of ARR and HW happens in 3 days. That short of a time frame is rediculous. A year for ARR and HW makes sense, possibly even ShB. But theres gonna be a point where this wont work anymore.
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  2. #42
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    Avi Taro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
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    I totally agree with you on how time works here, though I don't think the dev even necessarily has to be wrong - at least, the second one says "the bubble just got bigger." So who knows, maybe they meant it's a bubble with a five year (random number) timespan now instead of it being the same year forever.

    I dunno. Either way, I definitely didn't read their posts as saying that time doesn't actually pass in Eorzea. Time definitely passes. It just isn't reflected in game, because, like they said, they'd have to update the entire world every time a patch comes out. It sounds like it's a technical/design decision and not a lore fact.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
    That would work...kinda, except that time would still be progressing forward. Like I get if they need to insert content into an 'earlier phase'. Its like a wierd little adendum/retcon. Its minor in that regards. But the overall MSQ is where things get hung up. Even if you break down each section into time bubbles, time still progresses. As an example, if arr is 4 months, hw is 4 months, and SB is 4 months, an entire year has just passed. And that means ShB cannot be in the same year as ARR, but the following year at that point. Its plausible some of the MSQ happens in one year, but as more gets added, that being probable starts to fall apart. Itd eventually become the example I was trying to illustrate : You wouldnt say the entirety of ARR and HW happens in 3 days. That short of a time frame is rediculous. A year for ARR and HW makes sense, possibly even ShB. But theres gonna be a point where this wont work anymore.
    I think the writers/devs have become aware of this issue that things are getting too sacked in just 1 year canonically and i feel like we will actually have a small time skip while we are on the 1st (This is my hope at least). Alphanaud and Alasiae are the key to if we have a decent time jump if they become adult sized Elezen 5 to 6 years have passed but until they do no more than 4 years can pass if you feel like ARR/HW/SB is 1 full year you are not wrong for thinking that as there are no official dates for events so if that makes it easier for you to believe it then go ahead the devs just unfortunately wrote themselves into a corner when they made alphinaud and alasiae as they want time to move forward but cannot have it going too fast that they have to make completely new models for characters the playerbase likes.
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  4. #44
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    I mean they are experimenting with changing the world here and there. The tent cities around Uldah now have stalls of Ala Mhigan's selling wares and such for instance. I can see them still wanting to be vague, but it does seem like they're experimenting with moving areas forward visually.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko View Post
    (He is no dev btw).
    Anonymoose isn't a dev (though he is quoting information from the head of English localisation), but he's the resident expert in the Lore forum and seems to have absolutely everything referenced.

    Also, they officially hired him to help work on editing the second lorebook.
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  6. #46
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    If I may state the obvious, we already play something that resembles young boys and girls participating in battles. We call them "lalafells". I suppose they get away with it by saying they are adult dwarfs.

    The game can't progress much in time because it just won't work for those further behind in the story. They have done it in some MMOs and what happens is, if you are someone far behind in the story, you see all of the other players talking about the era they are in decades in the future and they effectively spoil the story for you as a result.

    They want to not say how much time has passed at all, and instead let us imagine how much time has passed. They've said this officially at live letters. I am contented with this stance.

    They won't say "5 more years have passed" and they won't make it particularly appear like anything has changed in old areas. But they also won't necessarily say "no time has passed". This way we are able to imagine it for ourselves. The trailer depicting a beard, aged skin and the weight of being a hero taking its toll with the flashbacks, are meant to be to help us imagine and decide for ourselves how much time might have passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    If I may state the obvious, we already play something that resembles young boys and girls participating in battles.
    True, but there's a difference between resembling children and actually being children.
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    You really had me in the last half, not gonna lie. Laffin'.
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    If I may state the obvious, we already play something that resembles young boys and girls participating in battles. We call them "lalafells". I suppose they get away with it by saying they are adult dwarfs.
    I assume that's the difference - particularly when it comes to game classification, and what is or isn't acceptable to a ratings board.

    Lalafells look "childlike" but they're also quite stylised and cartoony, and very different to the actual Hyuran children we see in the game.
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    i though japan rule of age in games and anime is like this lol

    - age below 12 = kids
    - age 13-17 = teen
    - age 18-20's = mister, adult
    - anything above 30 = old man/hag
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