A mentor kicked my dog!

[Feidam]

If you show a person something 100 times and they still haven't learned anything, there is something very, very wrong with that person.

Why go to the extremes? I’m sure most that learn by doing would be able to repeat off the skills etc after viewing something multiple times. However, that does not translate into them having actually learned the fight. where you might need only a run or two after viewing said video they might need more repetition while doing to actually learn the fight because what the video didn’t translate into the actual learned skill. Most things in life are not simply black and white, but are shades of gray.

Also, if that person does have a disability they have every right to play the game( the service) they pay to utilize. PF is great away to limit exposure to players you don’t want to encounter.

[AxlStream]

I am constantly , unpleasantly surprised at how intolerant , self-centered, and stubborn people can be.

Your "standards" are not anyone elses responsibility to meet.

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

[Krotoan]

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

Considering i didn't name or quote you specifically , ask why you feel you needed to defend yourself.

Your time is your most valuable resource, and I will constantly say the only real currency anyone has to spend. Yes yours is just as valuable as anyone elses, however the only true control you have over it is how you experience it. If you don't wish to spend your time with someone, remove yourself, don't expect them to make your experience better.

You aren't "taking them by the hand". You're understanding that saying "watch a video first" may not be an option for them. Some people learn differently than you and being that way doesn't make them lesser than you.. or "basic". You have a choice to leave the duty or simply remain silent, you don't need to add insulting things.

[Feidam]

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

I’d wager the issue isn’t what you don’t want to do, but the attitude that is being displayed toward others. Your statements come off as treating those that learn slower with disdain. You don’t want to help them don’t, but why belittle those that do not learn as quickly? Why act like they are less than? Why make your way the only way? Or that they should not attempt the content?

I could careless if you don’t want to the help them. There are tools you can use to avoid those players. Just don’t act like they do not matter and you can treat them any which way you choose. I’d also wager you would never dare do that to someone face to face. They might not matter to you, but to SE as customers they matter. To others who are willing to help they matter.

[Vahlnir]

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

It's not necessarily what you're saying, it's how you're saying it and coming across to others. You are right in some respects and I have no problem giving credit where it is due. If you don't want to help, possibly carry someone who seemingly isn't able to learn a piece of content, that's fine. That can't and shouldn't be forced upon you. But don't look down on and talk down to those who are slow to learn, or even can't learn, as you are here. That helps no one. If it upsets you, there is a leave group feature available to use. I've done it way more than once without drama unfolding. Some groups are simply a lost cause.

[Wilford111]

If you can't tolerate someone who won't watch a video to learn a fight, then you should either only join duties as part of a preset party, or get ready to eat a lot of penalties. There WILL be players like that, and your intolerance is not their problem.

[Halivel]

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

Who, when and where said that practice learners (or just non-video learners overall) are slow learners? In fact, in real duty you will not even understand if somebody is a video-learner or a text-learner, or a practice-learner without them saying it aloud. Surprise, but it affects the way how you learn, not your speed. Speed is another story and does not depend on the way how you learn.

I usually don't need more than 2 tries for undesranding things. In separate cases I can check clearing video on needable phase for understanding what exactly I do wrong (yet again, clear video is not a guide video, and they work in different ways).

As if all who watched guides makes everything perfectly from the 1st try (spoiler: in 99.9% of cases they do need few tries same as those, who learn not by videos. Sometimes they need even more time. Does it suddenly make them basic? No).

If after watching a video all you remember is the name of a skill, that does sound very...basic.

I generally learn things by doing them, ridiculously quickly at that. Yet at the same time I can learn a fight by just seeing it once on youtube. No one is here to babysit people who refuse to watch a video or read a guide on the fight. I don't see why we should have to hold up the entire party and waste everyones time because 1 person decided his time is worth more than everyone elses and he doesn't read anything about the fight and just expects people to cater to his needs specifically.

Especially if it's old content and there's dozens of guides available. There is no good reason you can give me for your time being more valuable than the rest of the party.



If you show a person something 100 times and they still haven't learned anything, there is something very, very wrong with that person.

/sighs
Again, as I said just in this same message to another person: I usually do not need more than 2 tries. In case if duty is still hard (which happens very rarely), I can check clear video for needable phase. The main issue with so called guides that they do not give complete picture of battle. I'm glad that many people find them useful, but for me they are not like this. I learn very fast with other ways, faster than thousands of those who watch videos. And I'm not wrong because of this.

Should I call basic those who can't understand mechanic without explainings from the guide? I bet those people will be very offended and they will have full right to be so. Yet you dare to say that those who find video guides unhelpful and can't learn by them for any reasons are not okay.

[Kaedan]

Seriously. Chill with the self righteous attitude. My time is as valuable as the slow learner's, if I don't want to take them by the hand until they clear content, that's my right. If you don't mind it, more power to you but do not demonize others that will not put themselves through such an unnecessary ordeal.

That's true... of normal play. You aren't obligated to help people as a regular player.

But this thread is about MENTORS, which part of their "job description" is to help people who are new or don't understand mechanics. So if someone agrees to become a mentor, they sure as shit are obligated to not be a jerk and to help new players and players who don't understand. That's the entire point of the mentor role.

The issue a lot of have are "mentors" that are nothing but elitist jerks looking for another avenue for farming.

[van_arn]

I don't see the problem in expecting everyone in a group to be prepared. That's common courtesy, and the trade you should expect if you want anyone else to ever feel inclined to help you.

Some people can't do videos and guides, that's fine, but then it's their responsibility to find an alternative that works for them on their own. Without imposing on seven strangers.

I'm more than happy to teach a sprout how to do the basics, explain mechanics, and introduce them to the game as a whole. Once you hit 70 you grow up though; you're responsible for yourself-- and if you need me to hold your hand, you can pound sand if you didn't put in any work of your own.

In many ways, the lesson I have to teach anyone past 70 is the most important: self-reliance.

[Reinha]

I get that some people only learn by doing. No one has been able to explain how a mentor is supposed to help those people who have to experience a fight and don't remember written instructions and ability names.

It seems like a fair assumption that if you learn by being told what to do, you would best learn by looking up guides with audio/text/visual instructions just before queuing up. That removes the stress of having to read quickly because people are waiting for you. I myself will watch a video phase by phase about 2-5 times until I join a learning party because I'm a slow learner, so I only have to practice my rotation and movements during the fight.

If you don't learn by being told what to do, then a mentor is unable to help you and it's not unreasonable for them to leave after a few tries.