Minfilia's Modish Attire. what the heck?

[DumdogsWorld]

Honestly, I'm never really upset about Mog Station items, emotes, etc, because I'm not obligated to buy them. I don't feel left out in the slightest for not buying anything optional.

What would make me really mad is if Yoshi-P suddenly decided to become like the Todd Howard memes and personally take money out of my wallet to buy Skyri- I mean, Mog Station stuff.

[Gemina]

It's far from minor when your character's actual breast size is several times smaller than Minfilia's bust. My character no longer looks like my character when I put on her outfits. I didn't give my character gigantic boobs so it's not fair that this is forced on to me when I put on Minfilia's outfits, while lalafells don't have this issue.

Especially for a PAID outfit. Come on. For something that costs real money SE could have put in the effort to make the chest parts scale properly with the character's shape, instead of forcing all non-lalas to have balloons.

I'm not saying it isn't a valid concern, I'm saying it's minor in comparison to these outfits having so many limitations for the cost (can't dye it, no hairstyle to accompany it). This extends to the breast size as well since the devs seemingly don't want to allow players to change the look of these cosplay outfits in any way. I understand that, the cost I do not. At the most, I would pay around 5USD for this outfit, certainly not 12USD. Mainly because it supposedly is a cosplay outfit, and in order to cosplay Minfillia we need her hairstyle as well. Without the hairstyle, it is merely a glamour option, and we should be able to dye it. And I do agree that it shouldn't affect your character's chosen bust size if being used as a glamour instead of a cosplay.

As for the actual bust though, I think you're exaggerating a bit. I've seen female Miqo'te and Au Ra wearing the outfit, and also tried it out in the dressing room. You make it sound like it gives the avatars these disproportionate, gargantuan boobs, or at the least on the same level of Highlanders and fem Roes, and I don't find that to be the case at all. If you want your character to be flat chested, I understand your issue. The thing is Minfillia is as traditionally feminine as you can get, and having full breasts is part of her look.

It's a bit of a mixed bag of issues. Those who want to cosplay as Minfillia can't really do it, and those who want this for glamour their options are extremely limited. Because of these two glaring issues, I find the fixed bust size to be relatively small in comparison. If that was my only issue with the outfit, I would likely still buy it for the 12USD it's going for.

[Penthea]

I'm not saying it isn't a valid concern, I'm saying it's minor in comparison to these outfits having so many limitations for the cost (can't dye it, no hairstyle to accompany it).

I think it's worse than being unable to dye it. At least in the mog station it is clear you can't dye it so you can make the decision before you buy it whether that matters to you or not. The mog station doesn't tell you the outfit changes your breast size and honestly the preview images aren't clear enough to show that it does.

Two friends of mine didn't know this when they bought the first Minfilia outfit. One didn't mind, but the other was very annoyed about it.

As for the actual bust though, I think you're exaggerating a bit. I've seen female Miqo'te and Au Ra wearing the outfit, and also tried it out in the dressing room. You make it sound like it gives the avatars these disproportionate, gargantuan boobs

It does when your character's chest is significantly smaller than Minfilia's. The smaller your character's bust size, the bigger the change is when you put on one of her outfits. For my main the change is super noticeable. It's even worse on my au ra who is very flat chested.

This extends to the breast size as well since the devs seemingly don't want to allow players to change the look of these cosplay outfits in any way.

The thing is Minfillia is as traditionally feminine as you can get, and having full breasts is part of her look.

This argument doesn't fly for the simple fact that outfits from other characters don't do this. It's not because it's part of her looks. It's more likely a cost-cutting thing.

The other FFXIV characters who have outfits on the mog station have bodies that can be completely replicated with the character creation options players get. Minfilia's cup size is bigger than the max on most races. So SE took a shortcut by flattening the chest for the lalas because they don't have boobs anyway, and just leaving it as is for the rest.

Related to this, it's probably why we don't have Alisae's or Alphinaud's old outfits because their body types don't exist in player character creation, and the outfits certainly aren't designed with large breasts in mind. So rescaling the outfits to work with player races would essentially mean remaking them from scratch.

[Awful]

But these are usually minimal at most. Both of Minfilia's outfits make me look like I gained four cup sizes. If I wanted giganto bewbs I'd have made a roe with the slider all the way up. Not a miqo with the slider only halfway.

They're not even giant though they're just pushed up/ a little bigger if you want big boobs go play Blade and Soul Black Desert Online if you want some really out of control tatas honestly the only issues I have with the outfit is no hairstyle, not dyeable, and it's $12 USD (more for me because Canadian) so it's not worth it to me.

[Penthea]

They're not even giant though they're just pushed up/ a little bigger

So not the case if your character has small breasts. The Minfilia outfits don't increase your bust by a percentage. They just outright give you her boobs.

[Gemina]

I think it's worse than being unable to dye it. At least in the mog station it is clear you can't dye it so you can make the decision before you buy it whether that matters to you or not. The mog station doesn't tell you the outfit changes your breast size and honestly the preview images aren't clear enough to show that it does.

Two friends of mine didn't know this when they bought the first Minfilia outfit. One didn't mind, but the other was very annoyed about it.

How is that worse? Not being able to dye the outfit severely limits what you can glamour it with. Gear in the game that cannot be dyed along with MS outfits seem to use colors that no dyes in the game match. So you have to choose a color that compliments the undyeable choice, very likely to the chagrin of the player. The outfit's color also seems to reflect light, meaning that it will appear pure white in broad daylight, and snow white in dimmer light. Most colors actually do this, but differently and to a lesser extent. So if I was to wear a dyeable skirt with this and spend 500k on a pure white dye because they match in one lighting, I would end up extremely disappointed once I move out of that area. With the bust size, you know what you're getting as it is Minfillia's look.

As for your friends, I can argue the same about mine, and those who bought her previous outfit wanted to look like Minfillia, even going to the extent of changing their race, facial structure, eye color etc. to get as close to it as possible.

It does when your character's chest is significantly smaller than Minfilia's. The smaller your character's bust size, the bigger the change is when you put on one of her outfits. For my main the change is super noticeable. It's even worse on my au ra who is very flat chested.

If you have zero boobs, then yeah; going from nothing to something is going to be a big change. I'm not arguing with you there. What I am saying is that your exaggerating exactly how big they are.

This argument doesn't fly for the simple fact that outfits from other characters don't do this.

Sure they do. It has already been pointed out the both gear in the game and MS outfits flatten the bust size. If I toss on Cloud's outfit, or Squall's, my boobs go away. Bikini tops make my chosen bust size appear smaller. Fending/maiming armor sets? What happens to my boobs when I put those things on clearly designed for males? It is indeed a cost cut thing, and a minor grievance.

Related to this, it's probably why we don't have Alisae's or Alphinaud's old outfits because their body types don't exist in player character creation, and the outfits certainly aren't designed with large breasts in mind. So rescaling the outfits to work with player races would essentially mean remaking them from scratch.

It really just sounds like this outfit is not for you. We could go back and forth all day, but at the end of it; it gives you boobs that you do not want, so you just have to give it a pass, unfortunately.

[Iromi]

Really wish this came with the hair style.

I swear I remember them saying years ago they'd release Icehearts hair and such..guess they changed their minds.

[Ayer2015]

dont like it, dont buy it?

[Penthea]

How is that worse?

That you somehow can't work out that not being told that an outfit changes your character's anatomy is worse than knowing you can't dye something is surprising.

Players know they can't dye it before they buy it because the site has this information displayed. It does not say the bust size will change to match Minfilia's. I know someone who got a nasty surprise with the first Minfilia outfit and regretted the purchase because their character's modest breasts became massive. They didn't buy the outfit for the hairstyle. They actually wanted the outfit, but ended up not using it due to the surprise boob job.

If players were told that you both cannot dye it and that the bust size will change to match Minfilia's, then yes you would be correct. Not dyeing would be worse. But this is not the case. While being unable to dye is incredibly disappointing, at least you can decide whether this is a deal breaker or not before you purchase it. This is not the case for the bust size unless you happen to read player information about it.

In short, SE should warn players about the bust size. It's very misleading to not disclose something that could very noticeably change your character's anatomy. Especially for something that costs real money that you can't even preview on your character unless you find someone else who has it.

Sure they do. It has already been pointed out the both gear in the game and MS outfits flatten the bust size. If I toss on Cloud's outfit, or Squall's, my boobs go away.

Well then your character must have even smaller breasts than mine, because mine can still clearly be seen. Changes between how obvious breasts are is normal between different outfits....to a degree. It is not normal to potentially appear to gain four cup sizes unless you're stuffing your bra. Which is what Minfilia's outfits essentially do.

It really just sounds like this outfit is not for you.

Actually I adore the outfit. Normally being unable to dye is a complete deal breaker for me but I love how it looks so much I was going to buy it. However knowing that the first Minfilia outfit changes your bust size I was cautious and found someone who bought the new one...and found SE forced her breast size on us again. And I was exceptionally disappointed.

I think the outfit looks amazing but I don't want the boob job that comes with it. However apparently I'm being unreasonable because I want my character to maintain a similar bust size to the one I gave her, and would like to be told by SE when I'm forced to have huge breasts on certain outfits that cost real money

[rachcouture]

I'm mostly annoyed that it changes your breast size unless you're a lalafell. I was considering buying it as part of a wedding outfit but since seeing it gives me mahoosive boobs...no. Major turn off. If wanted big boobs I would have done that in character creation.

It doesn't change your breast size at all. The dress has a lift effect because of the structure work underneath the bust, furthered by the snug straps that pull backwards. It's the reverse of the compression on other glamours pieces i.e. Yafaemi Jacket of Healing/Casting—bra + closed fitted coat just does that naturally.

I can do without the hairstyle, but I'd really, really like it to be dyeable. The "it tampers with the original look" excuse is invalid when they don't seem to have a problem with it when it comes to outfits like Cloud's, Lightning's, and Noctis's.