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  1. #11
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    Kurando's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
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    Only partly correct, many effects do not stack either but we are not talking about DOTs. Chain Strat, Foe Req, Contagion, Ruination, Addle, Feint, Radiant Shield, Hypercharge, Trick Attack, etc are examples of things that don't stack (usually only reset timer) because if they did they would be very OP.

    A good AST knows how to work with another AST, simple.
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  2. #12
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    MorbolvampireQueen6's Avatar
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    Nagini Kagon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    Only partly correct, many effects do not stack either but we are not talking about DOTs. Chain Strat, Foe Req, Contagion, Ruination, Addle, Feint, Radiant Shield, Hypercharge, Trick Attack, etc are examples of things that don't stack (usually only reset timer) because if they did they would be very OP.

    A good AST knows how to work with another AST, simple.
    point is with songs 4 example u might nit be able 2 stack foe buy you can stack 2 songs on top one another ast doesn't have that even if its a different card.

    also most those things u listed outside songs does not effect how the jobs are played ninjas still got jutsu 2 spam for example.

    im not saying balance should be stacjed with balance but it should be able 2 stack with arrow,bole,spear since its a different card
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  3. #13
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    DarkMasamune's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
    point is with songs 4 example u might nit be able 2 stack foe buy you can stack 2 songs on top one another ast doesn't have that even if its a different card.

    also most those things u listed outside songs does not effect how the jobs are played ninjas still got jutsu 2 spam for example.

    im not saying balance should be stacjed with balance but it should be able 2 stack with arrow,bole,spear since its a different card
    You can't really stack two songs. The crit buff is given to all the other party members but the one who's singing (the BRD). If another BRD is in the team and decides to play a song, it will, technically, only affect the BRD not affected by his own song.
    So I don't think this applies here.

    And if a BRD uses Troubadour on one song and another one decides to use it with a different song, it does not stack, it replaces the effect. Which is quite annoying to be honest.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkMasamune View Post
    You can't really stack two songs. The crit buff is given to all the other party members but the one who's singing (the BRD). If another BRD is in the team and decides to play a song, it will, technically, only affect the BRD not affected by his own song.
    So I don't think this applies here.

    And if a BRD uses Troubadour on one song and another one decides to use it with a different song, it does not stack, it replaces the effect. Which is quite annoying to be honest.
    1,bard can use foe req while another uses crit again both are songs allowing the songs to be rotated plus songs dont share cd

    2 get ur good cards u habe 2 use all ur abilitys even then sometimes u get screwed but for example sense lets say u got good one now lets say its arrow and other person has spear. this are 2 different effects which 2 get puts it all on cd they should stack
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  5. #15
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    Lutemis Rangar
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    Why ruin whatever semblance of balance healers have to fix an issue that’s only prevalent in PUGs and Roulettes?
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  6. #16
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    They should rework AST cards so that they are all personal buffs that only influence your own healing and dps. Introducing raid-wide dps buffs on healers was one of the single worst mistakes that the development team made.
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  7. #17
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
    As said above our cards should stack when u got 2 ast in a group 1 of us are worthless and might as well afk since we can be overlapped with cards even with just 1 we should be allowed 2 stack 2 cards on a person.

    pretty much when i see another ast in party i dc myself and wait 2 be kicked because my cards don't matter when they either overlap or have theirs up
    No. That's broken.

    The best thing they can do is just make it to where cards cannot be overwritten - e.g., AST #1 plays an Expanded Balance; AST #2 cannot play their card until the Balance from AST #1 wears off.

    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
    1,bard can use foe req while another uses crit again both are songs allowing the songs to be rotated plus songs dont share cd
    1. Foe's is a debuff on the boss where as the other songs are buffs on the party. They're two different kinds of songs. Back when the songs were originally party support tools (Mage's was MP, Army's TP), you could only play one song at a time: Foe's OR Mage's OR Army's. You can only have Foe's + a rotational song now because the songs have more or less become stances like old Wanderer's Minuet was.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 04-28-2019 at 06:43 AM.
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  8. #18
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    OP, you do know that there is more to AST than just AoE balance/spear/arrow, right? Clearly you don't because you DC yourself when you get another AST in the party, which is a non-compliance to the ToS that can get you banned. Someone of this mindset, with an inability to adapt, coordinate with their co-healer, and choosing to be a detriment to the party by forcing them to wait for another healer very likely isn't playing AST correctly to begin with.

    You should know right off the bat that the DF already uses an algorithm so two of the same job are not paired together. If you are paired with another AST, it means that there are no other healers in the queue, or none that meet the requirements for the duty you are in. I strongly suggest you learn to adapt, stop being selfish, and if you just can't deal then eat the penalty, or just don't play AST. You have a role to fill in there, so cut the BS that is "whoa is me! I can't use my cards the way I want because there's another AST." The game doesn't revolve around you.

    There is a reason why card effects overwrite each other, and there is also a reason why RR also provide potency or duration buffs to your cards. I shouldn't even be telling you this if you are an AST main, especially considering I am not one.
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  9. #19
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    Avnus Vabruyt
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    Diabolos
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    Cards don't need to stack. It take one draw to get a ewer or spire so you can get a Expanded road then a other to get either a balance, arrow, or spear. If both ast prepared before hand they can alternate so when one is drawing a balance the other can draw for an expanded road and come 30s later they alternate and if both are lucky they can keep buffs on the party with little down time. I've done it before and all you need to do is communicate before pull and keep an eye on each others cards and roads.
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  10. #20
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    King Canadane
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    Quote Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6 View Post
    If se has a proplem they shouldnt allow 2 of the same job in the same party are allow us 2 stack im not staying in something that keeps me from using my cards nor am i taking the penality 4 leaving.
    You should absolutely be eating the penalty. You’ll be out of DF for 30 minutes while someone else now can’t kick for 4 hours.
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