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[Physic]

I disagree, White Wind isn't enough to be a healer in content. If you had 2 BLUs healing you in O1, you'd wipe, even in normal mode. Hell, BLUs can't even heal Weeping City without help from other healers. And 2 forms of mitigation does not make you a tank. It is missing some pretty crucial role actions to do its job. So what can BLU do? It can DPS. It has a DPS rotation. It has DPS role actions. It is a DPS. Just like a heal and a rez doesn't make you not a DPS, an AoE heal and a defensive stance does not make BLU not a DPS.

if you were level 70, youd be able to heal 40k-50k hp every 2.5 seconds, now, i dont know what type of output healers per second are supposed to have, but i feel like a tank should have a hard time dying with 2x that heal amount. yeah, there are mp considerations, but even with 5 seconds per heal that would be massive.

regardless, my point is not that blue mage are better healers overall than healers, merely that they go way beyond dps regular limitations in healing and tanking. Its not questionable that they can do it outside of savage, which is where the vast majority of players play/use DF

[Kurando]

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I think what was being raised was that certain bosses have attacks that either deal very high damage or reduce the target/party to 1hp, meaning White Wind suddenly isn't so good in those types of situations. Like you would not be able to pass Cid in Orbonne with the Cleansing Strike because of the health needed to be restored in a short time. Restoring 40-50k is only good if you can stay at near that amount, it still couldn't replace an actual healer.

[Physic]

I think what was being raised was that certain bosses have attacks that either deal very high damage or reduce the target/party to 1hp, meaning White Wind suddenly isn't so good in those types of situations. Like you would not be able to pass Cid in Orbonne with the Cleansing Strike because of the health needed to be restored in a short time. Restoring 40-50k is only good if you can stay at near that amount, it still couldn't replace an actual healer.

yeah they definitely are missing stuff like that, no esuna or raise is also a pretty big deal.

[BubblyBoar]

They don't go "way beyond" though. They have one gimmicky heal that doesn't actually heal that much most of the time. A situation where a BLUe would need to heal 40k-50k HP simply makes it impossible for it to be good at healing. If the party has taken that much damage, the BLU is also missing 40k-50k HP as well, which means WHite Wind is not healing for 40k-50k HP. So unless BLU can magically avoid all raid-wide damage, it isn't going to be healing anything better than a Red Mage or a Paladin. I understanding seeing the big number at cap seems overpowered. But in a real situation, it is useless.

[Physic]

They don't go "way beyond" though. They have one gimmicky heal that doesn't actually heal that much most of the time. A situation where a BLUe would need to heal 40k-50k HP simply makes it impossible for it to be good at healing. If the party has taken that much damage, the BLU is also missing 40k-50k HP as well, which means WHite Wind is not healing for 40k-50k HP. So unless BLU can magically avoid all raid-wide damage, it isn't going to be healing anything better than a Red Mage or a Paladin. I understanding seeing the big number at cap seems overpowered. But in a real situation, it is useless.

huh? they can let the tanks hp get low and heal full. most times the healer is not low hp. even if aoe does half hp you heal everyone full. if your healing the tank, you have full hp most times.

its not useless at all. Only in the case that it takes you to 25% hp or lower is it bad. 20k aoe heal is still stronger than other aoe heals by far. Have you ever actually tried to play with blue mage healing? its pretty potent. Its the special situations where it misses out.

[BubblyBoar]

Have you played a healer? That kind of healing isn't ever needed. Why Would I spend a whole GCD on a party-wide heal just to heal a tank? 20k HP is pretty basic as far as raid-wide heals and recovery goes. In the only situations that require a heal that huge, BLU is either losing a GCD with an unnecessary amount of overheal or can't do the job healing at all. A BLU popping White Wind every time someone needs a heal isn't a decent healer at all. And in those cases, even a PLD or RDM can do just as well. Stop thinking about the big number and think about how the situations are usually handled and why White Wind is terrible at it.

[Physic]

Have you played a healer? That kind of healing isn't ever needed. Why Would I spend a whole GCD on a party-wide heal just to heal a tank? 20k HP is pretty basic as far as raid-wide heals and recovery goes. In the only situations that require a heal that huge, BLU is either losing a GCD with an unnecessary amount of overheal or can't do the job healing at all. A BLU popping White Wind every time someone needs a heal isn't a decent healer at all. And in those cases, even a PLD or RDM can do just as well. Stop thinking about the big number and think about how the situations are usually handled and why White Wind is terrible at it.

your concept of overhealing is irrelevent, the heal is based on your hp, you would require big heals if let your tank get low enough to heal a big heal. You use a gcd because WW uses a gcd. its no different than using a cure ii.

i feel like you think you are going to use the same strategies and tactics a regular healer would use, as a blue mage, you wouldnt. You basically dont heal until they are lower hp, then heal big. Playing with blue mages is a bit different than regular party strats/tactics.





thinking about it, i guess you are assuming you already have healers maintaining everyones health, but yeah, if you already have all the healers you need the blue mage wont use heals.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZn_xnSz020


all blumage vs level 50 content

[BubblyBoar]

What duty finder content would I be playing with only one healer aside from 4 man dungeons? What I'm saying is that a normal healer would do the job better than anything a BLU could try to do. That GCD matters. Because in the flash of an instant, other healers can get that tank healed back up without using a GCD at all. That makes them better than BLU by default. If you think they are doing that with Cure 2, you obviously don't play healer very much. Use, BLU can be a part of an all BLU comp and heal it. So can WARs. But BLU is not a healer just like WAR is not a healer. A single spell does not make BLU a healer even if it gives you a bring heal number. Things like overheal and GCD use matters. You heal what is needed using the variety of tools you have. BLU is a DPS, just straight up.

[ReiMakoto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZn_xnSz020


all blumage vs level 50 content

I was waiting for you to bring up that bahamut kill. So how does 8 BLU's clearing a thing differ from 8 tanks clearing a think for starters (alexander in heavensward). Also you'll notice the only reason they are able to beat this thing is due to a literal exploit/bug with missle, where if 2 missiles hit at the same time instead of reducing the add to 25% hp, it kills them because the server hasn't caught up in time, you can actually see this in action at 4:35, where the add doesn't die because their exploit didn't work because they mistimed the missile. Sure if the exploit was patched they could go onto using tailscrew, but the chance of that working is way lower, so they would be getting beat out handily by rng

[Physic]

I was waiting for you to bring up that bahamut kill. So how does 8 BLU's clearing a thing differ from 8 tanks clearing a think for starters (alexander in heavensward). Also you'll notice the only reason they are able to beat this thing is due to a literal exploit/bug with missle, where if 2 missiles hit at the same time instead of reducing the add to 25% hp, it kills them because the server hasn't caught up in time, you can actually see this in action at 4:35, where the add doesn't die because their exploit didn't work because they mistimed the missile. Sure if the exploit was patched they could go onto using tailscrew, but the chance of that working is way lower, so they would be getting beat out handily by rng

8 blus clearing the some of the hardest content at 50 on level cap. And, if they beat it without missile working at some point, i dont think they would have a problem if it didnt proc. They use it because its there, if it wasnt there, they would use a different technique.

regardless, its clear from that video, they can tank, and heal, and dps endgame content. And this is just with thier level 50 skillset.


also, it interesting how those useless skills you talked about are apparently useful in endgame content