Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Moonfish]

Is Ultima EX so scary for healers or something?

Yesterday I queued for mentor roullette as MNK and joined an in-progress run of Ultima EX with only 1 minute elapsed in the timer

Reason:Both a healer and a DPS left instantly as soon as the instance began and I arrived in the middle of the first pull which,with 1 healer,it obviously ended in a wipe.

We wait for healers to come by as i teach new people the mechanics.A healer comes in and also instantly leave the moment they laid eyes on ultima so we wait again and finally we get a healer who decided to stay.The funny thing is when this mentor healer arrived the tank pulled immediately fearing they might leave too which...I dunno but I found this funny for some reason xD.

Things went smoothly and we killed ultima by the third pull.Can any healer here tell me why is this instance so scary for them?

Cuz the two hardest points of the fight to heal from my observation is damage from the orbs,healing the tank through the inflicted vuln stacks and dodging the magitek bit lasers but other than that .....it's not that hard of a fight to go through especially in comparison to Titan EX

Ultima isn’t hard to heal in the slightest. They probably left because they didn’t want to do it, not because of fear.

[MariaArvana]

Is Ultima EX so scary for healers or something?

Yesterday I queued for mentor roullette as MNK and joined an in-progress run of Ultima EX with only 1 minute elapsed in the timer

Reason:Both a healer and a DPS left instantly as soon as the instance began and I arrived in the middle of the first pull which,with 1 healer,it obviously ended in a wipe.

We wait for healers to come by as i teach new people the mechanics.A healer comes in and also instantly leave the moment they laid eyes on ultima so we wait again and finally we get a healer who decided to stay.The funny thing is when this mentor healer arrived the tank pulled immediately fearing they might leave too which...I dunno but I found this funny for some reason xD.

Things went smoothly and we killed ultima by the third pull.Can any healer here tell me why is this instance so scary for them?

Cuz the two hardest points of the fight to heal from my observation is damage from the orbs,healing the tank through the inflicted vuln stacks and dodging the magitek bit lasers but other than that .....it's not that hard of a fight to go through especially in comparison to Titan EX

Ultima isn't particularly difficult for any job, but the fight's difficulty is much closer to extreme trials than it is to casual. It'd be the same reason people might leave if they get an EX primal or Odin in mentor roulette; for those people the initial 30 minute penalty might be much more appealing than possibly slugging it out for an hour and not even completing the fight. There will be those that won't mind to stay and teach, but others might not want to dedicate that much time to something they might not clear depending on how skilled the party is.

[Bright-Flower]

Copperbell roulette on alt. Tried to explain to a French sprout Thaumaturge when to use what spells. Either they didn't read chat, or
"1-2 (enemy) = (Fire), 3+ (enemy) = (Fire II). 1-3 (enemy) = (Blizzard), 4+ (enemy) = (Blizzard II)"
isn't a sufficiently understandable autotranslate message.
All those poor single-target Blizzard IIs and Fire IIs. T_T

On the flipside, got an expert roulette done in sub 13 minutes afterwards. Sure went smooth, that run.

I know a black mage that just spams fire III and blizzard III. I don't get why some people don't get the difference. Do some people just assume '2 > 1 this spell better?'

[kidalutz]

Ultima isn't particularly difficult for any job, but the fight's difficulty is much closer to extreme trials than it is to casual. It'd be the same reason people might leave if they get an EX primal or Odin in mentor roulette; for those people the initial 30 minute penalty might be much more appealing than possibly slugging it out for an hour and not even completing the fight. There will be those that won't mind to stay and teach, but others might not want to dedicate that much time to something they might not clear depending on how skilled the party is.

Uhm... just going to point out the ironies of the statement. MENTOR ROULETTE (Dont want to try and explain or teach and so leaves to eat a 30 minute penalty.)=(Why are they a mentor at that point then let alone using Mentor roulette?) This of course is also the reason why there are alot of bad feeling towards crown wearers in general if they dont want to teach then why should they get extra things. That's part and parcel of becoming a mentor. You're expected to make a good example for new players etc.etc.

[Bright-Flower]

Uhm... just going to point out the ironies of the statement. MENTOR ROULETTE (Dont want to try and explain or teach and so leaves to eat a 30 minute penalty.)=(Why are they a mentor at that point then let alone using Mentor roulette?) This of course is also the reason why there are alot of bad feeling towards crown wearers in general if they dont want to teach then why should they get extra things. That's part and parcel of becoming a mentor. You're expected to make a good example for new players etc.etc.

Maybe they just want the sweet mount without putting in effort?

[MetalSnakeXI1]

Ultima isn't particularly difficult for any job, but the fight's difficulty is much closer to extreme trials than it is to casual. It'd be the same reason people might leave if they get an EX primal or Odin in mentor roulette; for those people the initial 30 minute penalty might be much more appealing than possibly slugging it out for an hour and not even completing the fight. There will be those that won't mind to stay and teach, but others might not want to dedicate that much time to something they might not clear depending on how skilled the party is.

At the very least they should do at minimum one or two pulls and see if things go well or not instead of subjecting the poor players who queued for quite sometime only to be greeted with someone saying "screw you".I can understand maaybe...maaayebe leaving on titan even if it miffs me but Garuda and Ultima are really easy.If they fear getting ex primals on mentor roullette they shouldn't have queued for mentor roullette to begin with let alone obtaining said burger king crown.Cuz the rewards you get from mentor roullette is way less than most of the roullettes there.

[MariaArvana]

Uhm... just going to point out the ironies of the statement. MENTOR ROULETTE (Dont want to try and explain or teach and so leaves to eat a 30 minute penalty.)=(Why are they a mentor at that point then let alone using Mentor roulette?) This of course is also the reason why there are alot of bad feeling towards crown wearers in general if they dont want to teach then why should they get extra things. That's part and parcel of becoming a mentor. You're expected to make a good example for new players etc.etc.

because Square thought it was a good idea to tie an amazing two-seater mount to the roulette, thus attracting the wrong kinds of people to it. Same reason why they should remove the crown icon or replace it with something much less mass-appealing.

While I don't use mentor roulette, I'll be honest and say depending on how stressful/busy my work has been that day, I'd be willing to help and teach certain content (dungeons, hard mode trials, etc) but not even in the slightest mindset to teach people EX level content since I'd be liable to getting super annoyed if people don't learn ultra fast, so I'd respectfully bow out if it ever happened (It's happened in certain story mode 8-man trials before). That's what the 30 minute penalty is there for, it's up to the player to decide if its worth it or not.

At the very least they should do at minimum one or two pulls and see if things go well or not instead of subjecting the poor players who queued for quite sometime only to be greeted with someone saying "screw you".I can understand maaybe...maaayebe leaving on titan even if it miffs me but Garuda and Ultima are really easy.If they fear getting ex primals on mentor roullette they shouldn't have queued for mentor roullette to begin with let alone obtaining said burger king crown.Cuz the rewards you get from mentor roullette is way less than most of the roullettes there.

Two pulls can quickly add up time if they were heavily on the side of leaving anyway, then they'd have to spend 30 minutes on top of that. It sucks, but if someone's not interested in putting in the effort, it's better for them to leave and quickly get a replacement that would be more keen to stay, since their play will arguably suffer from not wanting to be there, or not trying in the hopes wipes will happen and a vote abandon passes.

[MetalSnakeXI1]

because Square thought it was a good idea to tie an amazing two-seater mount to the roulette, thus attracting the wrong kinds of people to it. Same reason why they should remove the crown icon or replace it with something much less mass-appealing.

While I don't use mentor roulette, I'll be honest and say depending on how stressful/busy my work has been that day, I'd be willing to help and teach certain content (dungeons, hard mode trials, etc) but not even in the slightest mindset to teach people EX level content since I'd be liable to getting super annoyed if people don't learn ultra fast, so I'd respectfully bow out if it ever happened (It's happened in certain story mode 8-man trials before). That's what the 30 minute penalty is there for, it's up to the player to decide if its worth it or not.



Two pulls can quickly add up time if they were heavily on the side of leaving anyway, then they'd have to spend 30 minutes on top of that. It sucks, but if someone's not interested in putting in the effort, it's better for them to leave and quickly get a replacement that would be more keen to stay, since their play will arguably suffer from not wanting to be there, or not trying in the hopes wipes will happen and a vote abandon passes.

Problem is,which happens quite often,the replacement that comes in leaves immediately like the last one too and if you were quite unlucky those can happen back to back on top of the long waiting before finally getting someone who wants to stay

I've said it before and I'll say it again,if they don't wanna bother doing ex primals they shouldn't queue for mentor roullettes to begin with.the miniscule resource of tomes and seals they get from this roullette can be made up for by doing a hunt or a eureka NM or a fate heck hunts and fates barely take anytime at all rather than wasting both the time of the people that queued with them and their own time for getting the 30 minute penalty....it isn't that hard to do....but I guess ruining other people's day is considered a bonus for some of those people

Like ok if they got an emergency or they're tight on schedule then fine I'll understand but if they can't even bother to have some common decency of saying "sorry I can't do this" then why even bother getting the burger king crown.

Part of me wish the penalties for leaving would get harsher if someone keeps repeating this multiple times within the same day cuz 30 minutes is honestly not enough when people abuse the system so much

[MariaArvana]

the miniscule resource of tomes and seals they get from this roullette can be made up for by doing a hunt or a eureka NM or a fate heck hunts and fates

Like ok if they got an emergency or they're tight on schedule then fine I'll understand but if they can't even bother to have some common decency of saying "sorry I can't do this" then why even bother getting the burger king crown.

For a lot of people, it's not the tomes or the seals. The two seater mount, the dragon monocle and several titles lie locked behind mentor roulette; there's no way to obtain these things besides the roulette, hence why I said it attracted the wrong kinds of people, the type that have no choice but to risk getting EX trials they'd leave to obtain the rewards they want. It was a bad idea waiting to happen with how they designed the roulette.

No matter how punishing you make the leaving conditions, someone will always take them, or find a way to get around them through fake D/Cs or otherwise. A better thing to do would have pops up indicating "this duty is better done through the party finder" or whatnot to try and mitigate the chances of "quick to bail" duties appearing in the roulette, or de-incentivize those people by moving the aesthetic rewards somewhere else.

[Paladinleeds]

No matter how punishing you make the leaving conditions, someone will always take them, or find a way to get around them through fake D/Cs or otherwise. A better thing to do would have pops up indicating "this duty is better done through the party finder" or whatnot to try and mitigate the chances of "quick to bail" duties appearing in the roulette, or de-incentivize those people by moving the aesthetic rewards somewhere else.

Simply put, queue for mentor roulette and get removed from the duty for any reason including vote abandon (with a 60 second inactivity timer), 168 hour penalty. Even if the party isn't full and you're the only player left. There we go, problem solved. because they can't fake d/c or whatever to avoid the punishment.

EDIT: The penalty would be expanded to prevent you being able to participate in FATEs etc, and would also make you unable to use crafting or gathering skills. Essentially making it so you can't do anything except take pretty pictures in the game.