Dear SE, I am a Healer

[Schan]

WARNING: These are all my feelings, experiences, and opinions. I am not speaking for anyone but myself. If you agree, then we have something in common, if you disagree then that is fine too.

Miste, I'm going to admit I skimmed over your long text since I'm sort of multi tasking but I plan on coming back and re-reading it properly because I'm sure you put a lot of work into writting all of that and it deserves more effort on my part.

I would urge you to wait a bit longer for the combat and healer changes. This feels like it's a bit of a knee jerk reaction. I too was sad when i realized there would be no healer job, but now i'm really looking foward to the changes. Of course this is a bit double edged... if they fail to deliver yet again I might actually become a salt miner like so many people in the forums as of late.

Not only that but please be mindful that they only do kit revamps on expansion drops. That means for 2 years all we see is mostly number tweaks. This method has its pros and cons. It's incredibly slow and therefore frustrating for those waiting for meaningful changed but at least it's not a rollercoster of underpowered to overpowered and vice versa (looking at you WoW).

I tend to be a very jaded person so i don't get hyped easily. I'm just waiting and seeing where this is going. With the fan fest I don't think the devs have had the time to properly address anything. I know it should have been addressed but at the same time I understand the Fan fest has a schedule so I'm going to wait and see. I'm not even sure how much of the feedback has reached them yet.

In my opinion i think they are stuck with the healers. I'm hoping they will manage to get themselves unstuck with shadowbringers but at the same time i'm not really expecting it. Time will tell.

[Belhi]

I think the OP's post was a pretty well written and respectful peace of feedback and thumbs up for it. It is a good explanation of a player's feelings on the matter without being rude or overly dramatic and frankly such feedback should be respected and supported on principle as things would be far better if players in general gave their feedback in such a way.

For me the lack of a new healer is disappointing but won't impact me playing beyond maybe changing roles next expansion. My bigger concern was the reasoning given. They gave the exact same reasoning for SB and completely failed to address the issues that lead to imbalance and the rather ridged healing meta then. This makes me worry that they don't have a firm grasp on what the issues are or are hesitant to implement the changes necessary to make it work. Far more than being stuck with the same three jobs for another two years, the idea that after years of them promising to balance and fix healing, we will still be stuck with the exact same issues.

I am starting to think this is something we really need to start discussing among players who play healers. If nothing else, I think feedback giving insight into what we see as the problems might start to help. As it is, I fear we are going to end up getting no where and will find that their efforts to balance healers achieves no improvements. I would love to be wrong but I find myself extremely sceptical.

[Loki]

@OP : i'm a main healer aswell (SCH) ^^ and play since 1.0 too, we become rare...

Well i'm fine with the fact to not have a new healer job cause i really like my sch but maybe they could just give us (healers) some love for 5.0 like mounts, nice outfits (not only dresses!), useful and cool looking skills 70-80

I think you should wait 5.0 before choosing to stay or leave /cheer

[Physic]

Yea, but it's not though. In 3.0 I played MCH because I like the support side of it. There are people who main Ranged DPS or more so BRD because they enjoy that side of it. RDM isn't a support job. Though we have three roles, that is only because adding any more would be murder for DF queue times. It would be like dividing healer or tank into main and off; then wait for someone to volunteer to fill that spot. Yes, Physical Range is a DPS role but it's design to be more support and I'm sure that will be even more clear when we get the battle changes in 5.0. Now I well admit SE screwed this mixture up with 4.0 and muddy the waters of what DPS category does what. I main SMN again because I love that it debuffs and buffs now, though it can't refill TP, on MP in long burst.

Aren't we normally waiting on tanks though, no healers? Hence SE adding another tank. And just hypothetical here but what if SE is planning on adding a support role to the game and toss BRD/DNC/MCH into it. Fact is we don't know what the battle changes are for 5.0.

the support side of mch? brd has way more. Honestly i think mnk is as supportive as mch.
dps buff, monster dmg debuff, increased healing, tp boost. saying mch is supportive is a bit of an overstatement imo.

[Hysterior]

You WILL survive this. I promise.

[Dyvid]

the support side of mch? brd has way more. Honestly i think mnk is as supportive as mch.
dps buff, monster dmg debuff, increased healing, tp boost. saying mch is supportive is a bit of an overstatement imo.

Please look three or four up from yours ;P

I am starting to think this is something we really need to start discussing among players who play healers. If nothing else, I think feedback giving insight into what we see as the problems might start to help. As it is, I fear we are going to end up getting no where and will find that their efforts to balance healers achieves no improvements. I would love to be wrong but I find myself extremely sceptical.

I wish I could rate you up a thousand times for this statement alone!!!!

[Selova]

If a player likes the "hunter" type you can add 10 casters and 20 melees it is the same for them.
So yeah there was 3 jobs for the healer type and 2 for the hunter type.
So it's fun you all complain to not having a new healer while complaining about people getting something when they were in the same boat.

I'm not at all complaining about no new healer as i'm indifferen't because I don't play healers often. It doesn't matter what sub role of a job people want the fact remains that there is still only 9 dps and 3 healers. Assuming no mid-expansions jobs are introduced it will be 6 years with no new healer by the time the next expansion after Shadowbringer's comes out. There isn't anything wrong with people voicing their concerns and being disrespectful by referring to their feelings on the matter as "insane ramblings" is uncalled for. Just be civil and respectful, even if you don't agree.

[Miste]

Miste, I'm going to admit I skimmed over your long text since I'm sort of multi tasking but I plan on coming back and re-reading it properly because I'm sure you put a lot of work into writting all of that and it deserves more effort on my part.

I would urge you to wait a bit longer for the combat and healer changes. This feels like it's a bit of a knee jerk reaction. I too was sad when i realized there would be no healer job, but now i'm really looking foward to the changes. Of course this is a bit double edged... if they fail to deliver yet again I might actually become a salt miner like so many people in the forums as of late.

Ah, sadly my entire issue is simply that we got no new job for the healer role in 4 years, and with the interview confirming that we will not get a healer for 5.0 then it will be 6 years, half a decade, with no new healer job. Having DPS get 3 jobs to Healer's Zero simply rubs me the wrong way and I disagree with how the FFXIV team is handling this. Like...3:0 ratio...at least it should have been 3:1. I'm not asking for healer jobs to get equal footing as DPS jobs do since, as I said in my OP, I understand DPS jobs in MMOs are often the largest pull and also the role a lot of the player base usually gravitates towards, but 3:0? Ugh.

So the changes to existing healers or combat doesn't really solve my personal issue and hence why I posted my feedback to SE. It was not a kneejerk reaction on my part although I can understand why you may have misunderstood that especially since you admitted you didn't fully take the time to read the entire thing (I understand though, I know it is long! Sorry! xD)

Thank you though for taking the time to make such a kind reply to me about it!

I think the OP's post was a pretty well written and respectful peace of feedback and thumbs up for it. It is a good explanation of a player's feelings on the matter without being rude or overly dramatic and frankly such feedback should be respected and supported on principle as things would be far better if players in general gave their feedback in such a way.

Thank you for the kind words! It is appreciated!

I agree with most of what you wrote as well. It just seems like they don't know what to do with healers...which isn't like a comforting feeling, and also makes me skeptical as well ><

It would be nice if healers could discuss things they could fix, but sadly there would be a lot of dissenting opinions on how to go about it that it would likely end up with a lot of clashing of play styles and opinions in like an argumentative way....especially given how crazy the healer's should or should not DPS debates get.

@OP : i'm a main healer aswell (SCH) ^^ and play since 1.0 too, we become rare...

I think you should wait 5.0 before choosing to stay or leave /cheer

Yeah it is rare nowadays probably!

Thank you for the well wishes~ I likely will see what happens until I decide, but it still has made me question whether or not I should :/

You WILL survive this. I promise.

Thank you! I'm sure I will, but aahhhh 6 years waiting is so meh ><

[Fland]

If a player likes the "hunter" type you can add 10 casters and 20 melees it is the same for them.
So yeah there was 3 jobs for the healer type and 2 for the hunter type.
So it's fun you all complain to not having a new healer while complaining about people getting something when they were in the same boat.

So DPS has different "type" (that are not range based) but all healers are just "healer type"?
What if a player likes playing the shielding and mitigating healer? Then they only have one and a half options.

Also if said player likes playing "hunter" type then DNC addition wouldn't matter as well since it's not "hunter" type.

[Schan]

I think the ratios are messed up too Miste and I agree with you on that point. I believe healers are the second most played role in the game (if we consider DPS - Healer - Tank) so they should give healers new jobs with new mechanics to keep things fresh (role burnout is a thing).

My speculation is that once they decided to only release 2 jobs per expansion (and they sure love their patterns) then they had to swap things around so we get tank + dps one expansion and healer + dps the next. That means there's this gap until things fit into the pattern since HW had 3 jobs but I will need to wait 2 years to see if my hypothesis is true

It sucks to not be in the majority but stay strong