Give us girly boys and manly women! Bigger issues than bunny boys?

[Reinha]

Without going into too much detail, the characteristics you are outlining are all culturally based. There are plenty of documentaries out there, you outside the realm of gender identity which seems to always be the topic of discussion these days, which analyse social archetypes in modern western society. Keep in mind what is deemed masculine and feminine does in fact vary by culture and over history.

Those archetypes being cultural doesn't mean they have to be abandoned or fought against. There is nothing wrong with adhering to and liking the cultural norms of the time and place one was born in, just like there is nothing wrong with the opposite either.

People have failed to explain why a game company shouldn't design their game to look the way the devs find appealing or what they think the customers will find appealing. Whatever was considered masculine/feminine/attractive in previous centuries is not relevant, because long dead generations are not subscribed to this game. We are.

[Ayer2015]

Those archetypes being cultural doesn't mean they have to be abandoned or fought against. There is nothing wrong with adhering to and liking the cultural norms of the time and place one was born in, just like there is nothing wrong with the opposite either.

People have failed to explain why a game company shouldn't design their game to look the way the devs find appealing or what they think the customers will find appealing. Whatever was considered masculine/feminine/attractive in previous centuries is not relevant, because long dead generations are not subscribed to this game. We are.

I mean its a globally marketed game, there are obviously going to be variances in what people want. What gets drowned out on the forums is the recognition that everyone will not want the same thing. There tends to always be this assumption of majority consensus and the poster speaks from that position. Personally, I wanted male Viera but the version I wanted was not feminized like others clearly wanted. Ultimately the devs made choices, and we got what we got. While I'm not happy about it, I will very likely still enjoy the MSQ in 5.0 which is ultimately the reason I play FF14.

...btw I would say " long dead generations" is a bit disingenuous. Just looks at the changes from the 80s, 90s to now. What is considered a muscular male build for example has changed drastically. Ideals of what is attractive evolve over a single life time, as do societal norms....