Gender locked race?

[Raiu]

What? It is sexist when the girls look like playboy bunnies, yet we aren't allowed to have males to that regard. The same can be said toward the Hrothgar, as it's fairly sexist to only give the men their powerful beastly race and not the girls. These genders exist in the lore for these races as they should exist in the character creator.

It is not sexism when there's countless of other characters and whatnot around in the game world which has a balance between it all. Just because Viera and Hrothgar act as a different kind of medium of artistic sense trying to stay to source material, it is still not sexism.

I swear people ignore everything else when it comes to this, only to rage about what they see now.

Viera was already an established race in another FF game. Just like now, the males were said to be mythical and almost non-existent, even though we knew they exist. SE is adhering to the lore to keep it like that, not letting players breaking the illusion of male Viera everywhere. Female Viera were already looking like playboy bunnies, and you did not see or play as their male counterpart in that game.

It only became a problem now for people.

[Raiu]

I understand where you're coming from but lore and story building really don't mean that much when I can summon Jibanyan as a minion and then fly off on my Regalia while queuing for the Nier raid. Obviously the devs are not super concrete about the lore of XIV and what it means. This was just a bad decision made under the guise of an otherwise unrelated concept to make it not seem as bad.

Just because a vase has cracks in it, it does not mean you need to pick up the hammer and create more cracks, or downright break the vase.

[Crushnight]

your worry is unfounded honestly. The game will be fine, the world is not ending.

i wish i could believe you but after the limited job concept and now this my faith that they won't do it is really low.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

I understand where you're coming from but lore and story building really don't mean that much when I can summon Jibanyan as a minion and then fly off on my Regalia while queuing for the Nier raid. Obviously the devs are not super concrete about the lore of XIV and what it means. This was just a bad decision made under the guise of an otherwise unrelated concept to make it not seem as bad.

all minions are little magic dolls or mechanical toys, and Regalia can easily be done with magitech ( still find the car and most mounts stupid to begin with)

[A-Ruhn-Senna]

I don't necessarily mind if players voice their concerns over genderlocks. Just as long as it's all consolidated into one or two spaces so we don't have a spam of threads by the same handful of people whining about the same exact thing. It reminds me of the high elfers in the WoW forums.

With that said, the thing that I find most annoying are the accusations of homophobia, sexism, and toxic masculinity as if any of this has to do with male viera at all. Some people around here have been living in their insulated bubbles in regard to male viera and how they think they should look. There seems to be a preconceived notion that male viera are all glamourized, feminine bishies. And therefore the exclusion of them is 'homophobic' (???)

First of all, none of us know how male viera look. For all we know they could look like Bugs Bunny on steroids. We don't know if they look anything like the fan arts and commissions you keep posting. To use your own male viera headcanons as a premise to accuse others of homophobia or perpetuating sexism is simply ridiculous because we don't even know what male viera look like at all.

And if I may add: This game has a plethora of options for guys who want to play feminine males. The implication that we're lacking in that department is, in my opinion, baffling. You can make bishie feminine twinks out of midlanders, miqo'te, and elezen (Ironically, I see many posting in this thread). There's also a plethora of armors and glamours to choose from that can be seen as more feminine than masculine. IMO this game has given this type of aesthetic plenty of shine.

Honestly, if they announced male viera and they looked beastial like Hrothgar, I would guess that the same people would be complaining that they're not bishie enough to their liking, or that they're not children like Alphinaud. The goalposts would be moved from genderlocks to gender presentation.

I do think male viera and female hrothgar have a chance to be added in the future. Probably in an expansion or two.

[Kazran]

Well that is the dangers of assumption, people should stop doing that.

Aye they should, but SE should have been more open about it from the start, especially after the initial Viera reveal!

But people make assumptions, they like to make theories as to what going to happen, who's that character, what the plot point here, what location is this. Its all part of the hype lead up to the release of the expansion.

But something as personal as ones avatar people are allowed to be upset in this and express their displeasure. They can do that with their wallets , with forum posts like these in hopes the Devs see it, to making enough noise that Devs have to listen.

I don't know what people expect those disappointed to do, not be disappointed? To just be quite and not try to change the game they pay for as well. To just accept whats given and just be grateful the Devs give us what they do?

How will that help at all in letting the devs and SE know that hey this thing is important to me please do it!

I will not say this is any where near 1.0 in the shear incompetence and disregard the devs have. But this sort of "Just be happy you get what you get, don't question it" attitude can lead down such paths. We are not beholden to the developers we don't owe them loyalty or blind faith. We make mistakes, they make mistakes and its okay to be critical of the things you like and love!

[AriaFairchild]

They went ahead with the gender-locking, what absolute mad lads!

Blueballing Western playerbase at Paris, announcing male-only Hrothgar in Japan, their hometurf, whose players couldn't give a flying f*** about this gender thingy. Damn, they really planned out their revenge well.

To borrow one of Linus' rants:

"That is either genius, or a seriously diseased mind. I can't quite tell which."

[DJMau]

They went ahead with the gender-locking, what absolute mad lads!

Blueballing Western playerbase at Paris, announcing male-only Hrothgar in Japan, their hometurf, whose players couldn't give a flying f*** about this gender thingy. Damn, they really planned out their revenge well.

To borrow one of Linus' rants:

"That is either genius, or a seriously diseased mind. I can't quite tell which."

Doubly ballsy, considering the general obsession with Cuteness over there.

[Crushnight]

Just a reminder that the Hrothgar have been modeled to wear these outfits:







and many many more so grats to those who wanted something like Hrothgar(genuinely congratulations on getting them)

[xbahax92]

Feminine or masculine it doesnt matter.
Genderlocked races is shit and doesnt provide anything.

People who want male Viera, want to see them how SE would design them. A mystery to be resolved.
And by making them playable, it would of been a great customisation option. Another young, sleek looking race next to Miqote, Elezen (Giraffe) and hyurs would add variety. Many are playing the same race, same face option, same animations for years. Those things have not shake up and character creation is also a big part of MMOs.
Ofcourse this game provides much more than cosmetics but when you do the main story, run around the cities and see your characters doubles... it does get upsetting.

Nobody is complaining about ronsos, many actually support people that have waited for a playable beast race. But first and foremost, I feel lied to. Ive been waiting since paris FanFest for more information, and all we got is to wait for JP fanfest. It would of been different if Yoshida just wouldnt let us build up hype, he could of just stated in Paris that we will not get them and the outcry wouldnt be this much. Also the promise about no more gender locked races... I can only feel betrayed like many other veterans.

So just because your own character doesnt matter to you or you dont need more than you got, doesnt mean others have to be fine with the given limitations as well. This whole Viera thing has started even before Heavensward. And the show your support thread didnt just grow up cause of only females, but as a whole new race.