Gender locked race?

[Raiu]

People claiming it to be sexist truly only lives in the moment and does not look into every other non-sexist stuff the game has.

Putting out 2 unique races with a gender lock each in the midst of 6 other playable non-gender locked races is not sexism.

I can understand the disappointment, however, of wanting male viera or female hrothgar, but calling it sexism is dumb.

I, for one, can appreciate SE going down the route to establish how rare Viera males are in their game world and lore to the point they don't want player interference to change that. They did once, and they have taken a turn on it again.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

This seems to be the thread for feedback about gender-locked races so lemme add my two gil here:

I'm extremely, bitterly disappointed.

One of the things I liked so very much about the 2.0 beta, where I started playing, was that they were actually moving away from the awful 'girl races are tiny and cute/male races are big and hulking' thing. You could play a giant Roegadyn lady! You could play a tiny Miqo'te male! Highlanders for everyone! It was a good time, the time where those pictures with "FFXIV is all-inclusive because everyone looks equally ridiculous" and then a male and female model in the harness/subligar set, you know the one, was circling around and hell, it was true.

Then eternal bonds happened, and Square Enix listened and made same-sex weddings a thing that could happen. Then they listened to feedback and opened up a few pieces of formerly gender-locked gear so that both genders can use them. Excellent! And then they kind of dragged their feet on unlocking more pieces, which was less so.

I dunno when I first got the feeling that FFXIV was back-sliding from the inclusive game I knew and loved; it might have been with the Astrologian AF reveal for Stormblood (which, you know, AST main, and it was also one of the first bits of detail we had on the new expansion). The male and female outfits were so different. It's only gotten worse since then; even the flower crown from the Little Ladies' Day event is wildly different for males and females. There's no real reason! But it happened! And I'm frustrated!

This... this isn't helping. Nothing about this was good. The fact that gender-locked races are still a thing, six years after they gave us female roegadyn and male miqo'te due to massive outcry hurts. The fact that the announcement itself was handled so poorly (what seemed like a soft confirm + "wait until next fanfest wink wink nudge nudge" on male viera from EU fanfest to let people build up hype before "yeah no no male viera" at Tokyo fanfest) hurts. The fact that this happens right on the heels of FFXIV sponsoring a float at Sydney Mardi Gras, presumably making a statement about their stance on inclusivity, hurts.

The thing that hurts the most, though? That this doesn't feel like the game I was so excited to play back in 2013 any more. This feels more like the game that game evolved from, both in terms of content and in terms of being receptive to community feedback.

Sure, it's about not being able to play a rabbit dude, but it's also about the fact that I thought Square Enix knew better than this.

They did, at one point.

its a GAME, for pete sake -.- This is not the end of the world, ffxiv is not "against you"

This is getting ridiculous

[Saix027]

People claiming it to be sexist truly only lives in the moment and does not look into every other non-sexist stuff the game has.

Putting out 2 unique races with a gender lock each in the midst of 6 other playable non-gender locked races is not sexism.

I can understand the disappointment, however, of wanting male viera or female hrothgar, but calling it sexism is dumb.

I, for one, can appreciate SE going down the route to establish how rare Viera males are in their game world and lore to the point they don't want player interference to change that. They did once, and they have taken a turn on it again.

You mean like Mi'qote are suppsoed to be rare also. Sorry, but this is a lame excuse, explain this also to Au'ra which were new and from another land and suddenly we had them as starter race aswell, explain that lore wise also, stop defending them for such lame excuses.

[Lacan]

Playerbase's preference? speak for youself, I can account for many players that are happy with the new races

You can be happy with hrothgar and still want male viera you know. It isn't this black or white, us vs them thing. I don't know why we're treating it like it is.

[Daralii]

Don't want him fired, that's just silly. I do think getting him to see that his preferences aren't the same as the playerbase's preferences is possible though.

I've seen plenty of people here campaigning to have him fired since the news broke. People are losing their damn minds over it.

[marquoise]

I genuinely like the fact that they're respecting the lore of how the Viera always have been. They're my favourite race in the entire series, I want the mystery of male sightings to stay a mystery.

And hey, we're going to end up with a wider variety of races running around, which I will never say no to. Seeing the same cat boys and Au Ra girls is starting to get to me. We'll see dungeon parties with more than just 3 characters with the exact same face!

[Kailea_Nagisa]

You mean like Mi'qote are suppsoed to be rare also. Sorry, but this is a lame excuse, explain this also to Au'ra which were new and from another land and suddenly we had them as starter race aswell, explain that lore wise also, stop defending them for such lame excuses.

I have said it many times other places, Miqo'te lore and Viera are different, Miqp'te lore still leaves it to where males can become adventures and roam around, Viera clearly does not. Also if, lets say M/F ratio for Miqo is 3/7 then Viera would be 1/9

[Lacan]

I've seen plenty of people here campaigning to have him fired since the news broke. People are losing their damn minds over it.

well, they're upset over it. :v people say stuff when they're upset.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

You can be happy with hrothgar and still want male viera you know. It isn't this black or white, us vs them thing. I don't know why we're treating it like it is.

Not making it B/W again, dont speak as if you know the whole playerbase because you dont

[kingskye]

I'm back. I prepared this in advance, and posting it as they are clapping for these ridiculous cat race. Let me first say this: I hate Hrothgar because they came at the cost of male Viera and I'm not going to forget this ever.

Well it seems that they’ve gender-locked Viera and Hrothgar after all.
How disgusting, sexist, and homophobic - still uncomfortable designing male bunnies huh? You know I’ve really come to see this all as an attack on my identity especially after several of my posts in this thread were reported and I was banned because apparently someone is upset that I was very vocal about why I want male Viera and the fanart I was posting? I’m not sorry about what I said back then and this attempt at silencing me failed.
You know what would have been nice? Not being so secretive and being up front with us from the start, but no, they just had to cash in on everyone’s preorders before throwing this in our faces. This is why you cannot trust preorders these days at all. Thank god I had the foresight to not buy Shadowbringers. I can’t imagine that they would have refunded me. After all that I’ve seen I’ve come to the conclusion that this was a predatory tactic that took advantage of people’s trust, and they will go out of their way to silence anyone who speaks out against them. They are being anti-consumer and anti-player with the way they are behaving.
So in the end, they lost the money I was about to spend on the expansion, my recurring subscription which I have canceled, and any other Mog Station related purchases I would have made for fantasias/outfits/mounts. I refuse to be taken advantage of and I refuse to blindly follow this game into the abyss it’s going to sink into at this rate.
Good riddance and goodbye.

I see that this game has shifted sides and is now against who I am and what I stand for so in response I see no other option but to abandon FFXIV. Since they’re using the lore to justify this, then so will I. If the lore states that male Viera aren’t playable, then I guess that means my character will just have to disappear.
Goodbye.

goodbye o/ and in other words "rondo isnt sexy, im leaving" lol let natual selection get rid of alot of you