Has anyone beaten good king mog without cheating?

[Raikki]

This is still a totally pointless discussion but I can confirm through the wonders of exploiting the lodestone's time zone setting that Neo Manafont (Besaid) beat Moggle Mog between 4AM and 5AM EST.

P.S.: You can also fake lodestone history timestamps this way. Have fun!

Edit: In my haste I completely missed the fact that they only have the achievement for killing the king himself, not beating the entire instance. Sorry for misleading.

[Blarp]

I see the alpha nerds have gathered to argue about FFXIV "progression" raiding. We all know progression raiding in FFXIV is important internet business, but could you go shit talk on each others forums or something.

[viion]

What is cheating it, i've watched a few vids on youtube and all seem legit, they dont do any special tricks.

[Raikki]

What is cheating it, i've watched a few vids on youtube and all seem legit, they dont do any special tricks.

In phase 2 you can kill a couple of the moogles, then wipe and raise to remove aggro and replenish MP and buffs and re-engage and have a much easier fight.

[Ragz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNl1nn_egS8

[Req]

I think the hilarious thing about this is, there wasn't a huge outcry about people killing the adds and then wiping to batraal then going back and killing him without adds spawninig. Its the same exact thing.

[viion]

In phase 2 you can kill a couple of the moogles, then wipe and raise to remove aggro and replenish MP and buffs and re-engage and have a much easier fight.

Isnt that what people did in Divine Might in XI?

I dont see it as cheating just another tactic.

[Req]

Isnt that what people did in Divine Might in XI?

I dont see it as cheating just another tactic.

It isn't, this whole cheating thing has spawned from people with big egos being buttmad that other people killed the moogle before them possibly using a method thats easier than killing it without dying.

Like I said in my previous post, where was the outcry when you could go back and kill batraal without his adds if you wiped on his third form?

In my opinion, the meat of the moogle fight comes when all of the moogles spawn anyways, and is about 10 times harder than getting to that point and simply surviving the song. The only real difference I see is people will be looking for an extremely optimal setup for doing the most damage for the first part, and using the "exploit" multiple classes can get in on the action because its more about outlasting them over zerging them down as fast as possible.

[Jennestia]

Isnt that what people did in Divine Might in XI?

I dont see it as cheating just another tactic.

People super tanked Divine Might -- The only wipe one was depending on the Ark Angel Mithra's pet since some of them couldn't be slept or would sleepga (mandy) or to recover after a bad 2 hour (Mijin Gakure.) The one they're referring to in XIV is a different type of situation.

[Penguin]

In my opinion, the meat of the moogle fight comes when all of the moogles spawn anyways, and is about 10 times harder than getting to that point and simply surviving the song. The only real difference I see is people will be looking for an extremely optimal setup for doing the most damage for the first part, and using the "exploit" multiple classes can get in on the action because its more about outlasting them over zerging them down as fast as possible.

The meat of the moogle fight as you put it is the part between after the song and when the 2nd/3rd add is dead, most LS's using the exploit can kill 1-2 adds max before loosing control meaning they never really overcome the hard part of the fight.

The difference between surviving/controlling the fight normally the way it was intended and the exploit way is seriously night and day and unless you have killed it the way it was designed to be killed you probably wouldn't realize how much of a difference the exploit makes.

The fight is designed to be killed in 1 go that is why when all 8 people die you get automatically kicked out of the instance, if the fight was intended to have a reraise type tactic involved than you would most likely have time to raise up before it removed you from the instance.

Id agree with the Batraal thing but id say the main reason there was no outcry was simply because from what i remember none of the early kills used that way to kill him and most if not everyone just killed it the normal way, the problem now is that quite a large number of LS's are using the exploit way to kill the moogles because simply put it is significantly easier and removes alot of the dps requirements from the fight.