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[Blueyes]

Famitsu writer: Does that mean "limited jobs" came after blue mage?

Yoshida: Near the end of development, we thought "what should we call these?" and the lore team gave us a simple and easy to understand name, which was the "limited job" and we went with that one.

I find it interesting that Yoshida didn't directly answer this question. I've had my suspicion about which actually came first. Is it the whole truth that Blue Mage has been released as a Limited Job because they couldn't figure out how to get Blue Mage to work? Or are Limited Jobs their solution to pushing more jobs out the door in a manner that requires less work and Blue Mage just happened to be the first job to receive such treatment?

"Fun to play" and "Play to have fun" are concepts that makes this job seem like a console game, but it's brushed up to make you feel "I'm using a proper new FFXIV job".

So Blue Mage has been heavily advertised as a proper new FFXIV job, when in reality, it isn't. Got it.

I just sigh and shake my head as I read through this interview. I just hope that, in the future, we can convince Yoshida that his goals can be achieved without forcing a job to be omitted from content.

[Akonyl]

The fact that Yoshi P still acts like the way BLU learns skills is fundamentally disparate from being able to do high end content is ridiculous to me. He says "we wanted the class to be about learning abilities, and we kept saying this but then people are shocked when we say they won't be able to do high end content", but how's this any different from any other jobs? Why is a theoretical BLU who didn't learn all their abilities not allowed in high-end content, when a lazy player could do the exact same thing on any other job?

I can enter expert duty roulette as an archer. I can enter raid finder Savage + party finder for Ultimate as a bard and not have completed a single bard quest beyond getting my job stone, not having plenty of core abilities that anyone would expect from me. There isn't a single class in the game that can't enter high-end content woefully unprepared skill-wise, why is BLU a sudden change to this philosophy?

[Arkdra]

You're not making an argument to unlimit blue, but a compelling one to start blocking people from showing up to things without their stuff unlocked.

[Akonyl]

You're not making an argument to unlimit blue, but a compelling one to start blocking people from showing up to things without their stuff unlocked.

If they did, I'd be fine with it, but in practice people don't go jumping into high end content without the skills they need like Yoshi seems to think would be a huge issue if it was allowed for BLU.

It's the same as his "We can't let BLUs into raids because what if they cast Death on the boss?" comment, when they already have skills like Sleep on BLM that bosses are obviously immune to, I just hate how many of the excuses for why BLU can't be in high end raids seem to really just be excuses that the game already deals with / knows how to deal with.

[Valdegarde]

You're not making an argument to unlimit blue, but a compelling one to start blocking people from showing up to things without their stuff unlocked.

Then Blue Mage shouldn't be unique in that regard and shouldn't limit it's capabilities relative to other jobs from a design standpoint.

[BillyKaplan]

You're not making an argument to unlimit blue, but a compelling one to start blocking people from showing up to things without their stuff unlocked.

But that's exactly the thing, most if not all the reasons they gave so far to why BLU has to be a Limited Job are double standards. Shinryu was as difficult as he was for as long as he was because people didn't pick up their level 70 job quests, which not only held behind it the level 70 skills, but also 290 gear, which for most people would've been a fantastic upgrade. They were right in not nerfing the fight, but no one could've faulted them for locking the fight behind the requirement that the job they were queueing for it as had done its level 70 quest.
How is that any different from what they wanted to protect BLU players from? So either it's not as big a problem because literally every other job in the game is capable of it, or it is a problem, in which case all jobs need to be made Limited to protect players from themselves.
(or, you know, have the devs enforce logical, meaningful pre-reqs before you join a duty outside of min ilvl (which doesn't even apply to most duties), but it's easier for them to throw the fault on the players)

[Valor_C]

I think it's probably more... 20% hate the idea of limited jobs, 20% are for it, and the rest don't really care....

Or there are really more People liking the idea behind the limited jobs as People who hating it... you won't believe it, but this is possible... no joke, this is really possible.

[Valdegarde]

Even then, I've repeatedly got duties where, for example, a Samurai was using Hakaze only, the entire dungeon. Having skills available and learned doesn't mean the human player is going to use them or even slot them. That applies to every job, including crafters and gatherers. Babying that bottom denominator doesn't really help anyone I feel.
Oh no, the Blue Mage didn't slot White Wind, now we'll all wipe alongside the Red Mage who never raises, the tank who didn't use any cooldowns, and the Bard who didn't use Foe Requiem.

[shao32]

The fact that Yoshi P still acts like the way BLU learns skills is fundamentally disparate from being able to do high end content is ridiculous to me. He says "we wanted the class to be about learning abilities, and we kept saying this but then people are shocked when we say they won't be able to do high end content", but how's this any different from any other jobs? Why is a theoretical BLU who didn't learn all their abilities not allowed in high-end content, when a lazy player could do the exact same thing on any other job?

I can enter expert duty roulette as an archer. I can enter raid finder Savage + party finder for Ultimate as a bard and not have completed a single bard quest beyond getting my job stone, not having plenty of core abilities that anyone would expect from me. There isn't a single class in the game that can't enter high-end content woefully unprepared skill-wise, why is BLU a sudden change to this philosophy?

for the japanese audience BLU is all about learning skills and have a lot of then broken or not, thats the charm and the esence of BLU for them, the path of learning, spend the entire game learning new skills even in the end game, you can't really have that in FFXIV, by quest? you will have to make a minimun of 25 quest (more or less) for that, and this will make BLU can't change or loose skills for other next expansions, you can learn it by monsters but as yoshi say BLU mains will be behind others until they find all of then, and there is no way the job support all the skills they should have on balance.

all being say we can have a "limited" BLU in the form of the current jobs we have and have a plenty of ppl complaining BLU is not BLU, i don't learning new skills, its just SMN/BLM/RDM with bad breath, i saw many new monsters attacks and i can't learn it BLU memes, ect ect i don't think is a easy choice for them at all.

[Derio]

With the job being limited its now a job that I will actually play instead of maybe one day leveling to max lvl and never touching it again.