Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[Ceallach]

Waaaa

Let's put your theories to the test, then, hm?

1) Blue Mage in Raids.
Possibility 1: I'm going to Level 5 Death the boss. It died. We win. Savage tier meta is now blue mage only and screw the rest of the jobs that ever have existed or ever will. There's no point in bothering.
Possibility 2: I can't Bad Breath the boss, so I'll just go as a useful job instead.

2) Blue Mage in Dungeons.
Possibility 1: I can't learn anything new here, so I'm going to go on some other job.
Possibility 2: I one-shot everything here so nobody has to learn mechanics.

3) Blue Mage in Trials.
Possibility 1: Oh, there's a blue mage. I guess I'll have to use the Party Finder to make a party without a blue mage so we can actually do the fight properly.
Possibility 2: I'VE BEEN HERE FOR FORTY YEARS AND I STILL HAVEN'T LEARNED ANYTHING!!!

Do you see the issue? Probably not, because, "This is an MMORPG." Yet people like you are exactly why I prefer playing solo. Content is content, whether you choose to play it or not. Maybe show some more respect to the developers who worked hard to GIVE US WHAT WE ASKED FOR instead of complaining.

[Kabooa]

Maybe show some more respect to the developers who worked hard to GIVE US WHAT WE ASKED FOR instead of complaining.

I didn't ask the developers to make a job I couldn't use in the only content that keeps me playing.

[jon041065]

Thread started to get to a positive place and then boom! More toxicity.

1) Blue Mage in Raids.
Possibility 1: I'm going to Level 5 Death the boss. It died. We win. Savage tier meta is now blue mage only and screw the rest of the jobs that ever have existed or ever will. There's no point in bothering.
Possibility 2: I can't Bad Breath the boss, so I'll just go as a useful job instead.

We don't know how the level 5 death spell will work for sure yet as we haven't seen the tooltip for it. It could be a sure thing, a flat chance, or a scaling chance as the HP of the target drops. Bosses could be immune to it also despite what they said during Fan Fest. They have the feedback since then and will get more before they raise blu's level cap to 60 which is when they said you can learn that spell. Also, they did show us the Bad Breath spell and at least some of it will work on bosses. Didn't realize that blu wouldn't be useful and couldn't be fun unless Bad Breath works on everything.

2) Blue Mage in Dungeons.
Possibility 1: I can't learn anything new here, so I'm going to go on some other job.
Possibility 2: I one-shot everything here so nobody has to learn mechanics.

How is possibility one a problem? If someone doesn't want to take blu through a dungeon because they can't learn a spell that's their choice. Some will want to run the dungeon as blu regardless because they find the job fun. Choices are a good thing. The second possibility might not even be possible. The potency of the blue spells we have seen now is on the low side but blu's damage will not scale with their weapon but be based off the rest of their equipment. So right now we can't say for sure if these spells will be weak or not in practice just that the potency is low.

3) Blue Mage in Trials.
Possibility 1: Oh, there's a blue mage. I guess I'll have to use the Party Finder to make a party without a blue mage so we can actually do the fight properly.
Possibility 2: I'VE BEEN HERE FOR FORTY YEARS AND I STILL HAVEN'T LEARNED ANYTHING!!!

First thing here doesn't make sense to me. Why would they have to make a group in party finder to avoid getting blue mages when blue mages won't be able to queue for matchmaking in the first place? If you are trying to say that some people will make groups and exclude blue mages then that's their choice. Got enough hyperbole in that second statement? They said that each spell will have a learn chance tuned for that spell. Some will be very rare and some will have a 30% chance as they have announced. Some could have a higher chance to learn.

Do you see the issue? Probably not, because, "This is an MMORPG." Yet people like you are exactly why I prefer playing solo. Content is content, whether you choose to play it or not. Maybe show some more respect to the developers who worked hard to GIVE US WHAT WE ASKED FOR instead of complaining.

If you like playing solo that's your choice. Some of us like to focus on group content and others like a mix of both. The game should have various types of content but I'm firmly in the camp of "jobs should be for everyone" and then you can your job of choice into the content of your choice. Finally, not everyone asked for content like this and I would say it's not being disrespectful to believe that the devs can do content like this and full jobs.

[Darkpaw]

Attacking the OP in this sense at this point in time is accomplishing nothing. The people who feel they have been cheated out of something they truly wanted are warranted. More so now than ever with the new information. If you look at the way BLU damage scales, MULTIPLE rotations, and a few other tid bits here and there it's clear they worked harder to fit this job into a "limited" system then they would have needed to, to make it a Standard DoM job (still not going to say full job because it still doesn't feel right but standard is a good stand-in)

[Dualgunner]

Do you see the issue?

Yeah, the issue is false dichotomies are a very disingenuous and fallacious argument tactic. Good job.

[Starcake28]

What i see people trying to do is make blu into a job give me give me a good for nothing job that get stuff easy thats why i love blue mage because its not a give me give me job you have to go out in the world and put everything into it to learn spells etc.. and farming them spells is super awesome then a job tht get everything free from npcs also blue mage is time basic also they don't have to use same loadout like everyone else in game blue mage bring alot to FF ALL FF GAMES mainly online but still blue mage will always be the better job but ya the limited system they added was not needed i believe they added because of how blue mage play style is if they made blue mage like RDM or BLM in FF14 I Will HATE iT also if thy change blue mage to a tank i will HATE iT because i know blue mage is not a tank but people trying to break blue mage down just like the limited system is doing by changing blue mage to a tank forget that WoW I have alot to say but i Can't say something because of terms of agreement...

[Starcake28]

Let's put your theories to the test, then, hm?

1) Blue Mage in Raids.
Possibility 1: I'm going to Level 5 Death the boss. It died. We win. Savage tier meta is now blue mage only and screw the rest of the jobs that ever have existed or ever will. There's no point in bothering.
Possibility 2: I can't Bad Breath the boss, so I'll just go as a useful job instead.

2) Blue Mage in Dungeons.
Possibility 1: I can't learn anything new here, so I'm going to go on some other job.
Possibility 2: I one-shot everything here so nobody has to learn mechanics.

3) Blue Mage in Trials.
Possibility 1: Oh, there's a blue mage. I guess I'll have to use the Party Finder to make a party without a blue mage so we can actually do the fight properly.
Possibility 2: I'VE BEEN HERE FOR FORTY YEARS AND I STILL HAVEN'T LEARNED ANYTHING!!!

Do you see the issue? Probably not, because, "This is an MMORPG." Yet people like you are exactly why I prefer playing solo. Content is content, whether you choose to play it or not. Maybe show some more respect to the developers who worked hard to GIVE US WHAT WE ASKED FOR instead of complaining.

As for your level 5 death take it with you because blue mage Don't need it again i'm going to point at FF11 but i'm not saying make blue mage like FF11 system but fighting style H*** YA also if you from WoW and never really played FF11 Blue mage full-time tht mean got all spells shhh plz

[jon041065]

What i see people trying to do is make blu into a job give me give me a good for nothing job that get stuff easy thats why i love blue mage because its not a give me give me job you have to go out in the world and put everything into it to learn spells etc.. and farming them spells is super awesome then a job tht get everything free from npcs also blue mage is time basic also they don't have to use same loadout like everyone else in game blue mage bring alot to FF ALL FF GAMES mainly online but still blue mage will always be the better job but ya the limited system they added was not needed i believe they added because of how blue mage play style is if they made blue mage like RDM or BLM in FF14 I Will HATE iT also if thy change blue mage to a tank i will HATE iT because i know blue mage is not a tank but people trying to break blue mage down just like the limited system is doing by changing blue mage to a tank forget that WoW I have alot to say but i Can't say something because of terms of agreement...

Starcake, saying what BLU can't be isn't that much different than the people saying that BLU can't be a standard job. I'd like to see it be a multi-role job through your spell choices, stances, or multiple job stones. There seems to be less fighting against us than there was a week ago and more people wanting to work with us. I see posting things like you did as a taunt of sorts to keep fighting those same people and that won't help.

[Huntrss]

Blue Mage: We go out and Collect Spells
Blue Mage we have 5 Save spots to put all 24 spells in and we have 49 spells in total (for now) so we have plenty to pick and choose from.
Blue Mage we have party Finder to find group to play with.. Players still want Duty Finder
Blue mage: We can Do Dungeons, Trails and Raids and soon we be up to level 60. maybe POTD
Blue Mages: Players still want us to be a Normal don't collect anything Job and lose everything that makes us ..Well us. Why can't we just be love for the type of Job we are??
Blue Mages: Must not change to Normal Type Job ..But Being pulled by Raiders .. Being Pulled by People who want to main us.. two days after the change Blue mage is not played because it's a Boring Normal Job.

[jon041065]

Blue Mage: We go out and Collect Spells
Blue Mage we have 5 Save spots to put all 24 spells in and we have 49 spells in total (for now) so we have plenty to pick and choose from.
Blue Mage we have party Finder to find group to play with.. Players still want Duty Finder
Blue mage: We can Do Dungeons, Trails and Raids and soon we be up to level 60. maybe POTD
Blue Mages: Players still want us to be a Normal don't collect anything Job and lose everything that makes us ..Well us. Why can't we just be love for the type of Job we are??
Blue Mages: Must not change to Normal Type Job ..But Being pulled by Raiders .. Being Pulled by People who want to main us.. two days after the change Blue mage is not played because it's a Boring Normal Job.

Try not stating these as facts since they are just your opinions. Many of us are looking for a compromise. That players like you don't lose the solo job and Carnival while people that want to main blu would be able to in the content they choose to. Not asking for spell learning/collecting to be removed or BLU to lose the identity of "learn and use enemy abilities". As for your question on why can't we just love the job we are getting, I'll ask you one. Why can't we get the FF job we love to be used in the content that matters most to us? For some, that is raiding, pvp, deep dungeons etc.