Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Fynlar]

I consider you a lackadaisical player who shifts unnecessary burdens onto his party members for no good reason. You didn't make it work, your party did.

Except there was really no "burden" like you seemingly imagine there was. Again, I have enough situational awareness to tell when someone's being a burden to the party. I'm not that ignorant.

But you go on and brag about your leveling dungeon accomplishments...

Why wouldn't I? People here seem to think they're such a huge challenge, so if I got through them fine with i270 I must be a top tier player, right?

It's still significantly better than Shire, and easily accessible. The only reason not to have better gear is sheer laziness.

Why blow a bunch of gil on vendor gear that's barely any better when you will chuck it in at most 2 levels? You can call it laziness if you like; I call it being economical.

I sold all the gear that I was getting from the quests, for a pretty penny, and I still progressed through the dungeons to 70 just fine. Didn't encounter any hardship with it like people in this thread would have you believe I did. As far as I was concerned, that was my reward for bothering to fully gear myself at the end of HW, just like getting to cruise through 3.0 was my reward for going into HW with full auged ironworks.

Except it did when they were relevant.

I did these dungeons/grinds when they were relevant. I'm talking about my experience with them when they were relevant content. I didn't just finish grinding all my jobs to 70 yesterday or something.

They still weren't hard.

Some mechanics outright one-shot those who are undergeared because they don’t have the HP to survive.

Yeah, if that happens in a leveling dungeon, you are definitely undergeared. That kind of thing should only be happening in raids, when people are still new/unprepared for mechanics.

But guess what? That never happened to me in Abania at 270, not even anywhere close.

At a snail’s pace with the healer basically babysitting the tank. Idk, that doesn’t translate into “just fine” for me.

Maybe that was your experience. Wasn't mine.

Beeing undergeared in a leveling dungeon is a big issue because it puts way more stress on everyone besides the undergeared person and since this is a teamgame you should start showing respect for your party members and try to make their job as comfortable as possible which includes propper CD usage and up to date gear as a tank. If you don't do that people have all rights to call you out and they are not overblowing it just because you say they do it.

I'm well aware of what happens to undergeared tanks, thanks.

What I'm saying i270 is not "undergeared" for SB dungeons, in much the same way that i380 is not "undergeared" for current EX dungeons just because i390+ stuff exists. If it was, I would have gotten my ass beat trying to take three tank jobs through these dungeons. I didn't.

So yes, this thread is overblowing it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Except there was really no "burden" like you seemingly imagine there was. Again, I have enough situational awareness to tell when someone's being a burden to the party. I'm not that ignorant.

But ignorant enough to go into a dungeon woefully undergeared. And arrogant enough to insist everyone else is wrong and you won't somehow carried. Talk about an interesting hill to die on...

Why blow a bunch of gil on vendor gear that's barely any better when you will chuck it in at most 2 levels? You can call it laziness if you like; I call it being economical.

You spelled selfish and inconsiderate wrong.

[WaterShield]

Except there was really no "burden" like you seemingly imagine there was. Again, I have enough situational awareness to tell when someone's being a burden to the party. I'm not that ignorant.

Why wouldn't I? People here seem to think they're such a huge challenge, so if I got through them fine with i270 I must be a top tier player, right?

Why blow a bunch of gil on vendor gear that's barely any better when you will chuck it in at most 2 levels? You can call it laziness if you like; I call it being economical.

I sold all the gear that I was getting from the quests, for a pretty penny, and I still progressed through the dungeons to 70 just fine. Didn't encounter any hardship with it like people in this thread would have you believe I did. As far as I was concerned, that was my reward for bothering to fully gear myself at the end of HW, just like getting to cruise through 3.0 was my reward for going into HW with full auged ironworks.

I did these dungeons/grinds when they were relevant. I'm talking about my experience with them when they were relevant content. I didn't just finish grinding all my jobs to 70 yesterday or something.

They still weren't hard.

Yeah, if that happens in a leveling dungeon, you are definitely undergeared. That kind of thing should only be happening in raids, when people are still new/unprepared for mechanics.

But guess what? That never happened to me in Abania at 270, not even anywhere close.

Maybe that was your experience. Wasn't mine.

I'm well aware of what happens to undergeared tanks, thanks.

What I'm saying i270 is not "undergeared" for SB dungeons, in much the same way that i380 is not "undergeared" for current EX dungeons just because i390+ stuff exists.

Ok since you are playing it this way, approximately 53.95% more defense upgrading from the old gear that is 7 levels outdated. Is that a small difference?

53.95% more defense = barely any better. The more you know.

What I'm saying i270 is not "undergeared" for SB dungeons, in much the same way that i380 is not "undergeared" for current EX dungeons just because i390+ stuff exists. If it was, I would have gotten my ass beat trying to take three tank jobs through these dungeons. I didn't.

So yes, this thread is overblowing it

380 to 390 tank gear = 13.48% extra defense..... seems like radically different numbers.

[LalaRu]

You OP just got back luck and RNG gave a you a PUG of bad apples. That's all.

I done all tanks with shire gear to 70 and the only thing you have to care is not pretending to make the same door-to-door pulls doable by i390+ tanks. The i390+ dps pulling hate off you are just doing that for the lulz of it so you can pretty ignore the usual "bad tank comment" they do after pulling off mobs with their all-out opening. Remember: a PUG is a beast you cannot handle. Accept it "as is".

[Fynlar]

You spelled selfish and inconsiderate wrong.

I suppose anyone who ever does anything in the game without the absolute top of the line gear is just being selfish and inconsiderate to you, then. Because that's basically what your position amounts to.

If that's the case, then yep, I guess I'm selfish and inconsiderate. Boo hoo.

Personally I don't give a rat's ass as long as the content gets done cleanly and efficiently, which it generally still did, because regardless of whatever people here seem to think i270 is more than sufficient until you're 70. Not going to say that I never ran into any "Doody Finder" tier parties, which I did, but that's going to happen to everyone eventually regardless of gear.

[Sheriyana]

I've seen tanks get one shot by the tank buster of the last boss in Castrum Abania so I wouldn't recommend it, not that it can't be done but the healer will be working overtime on more than one occasion to make up for the lack of gear.

[Ilan]

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I'm well aware of what happens to undergeared tanks, thanks.

What I'm saying i270 is not "undergeared" for SB dungeons, in much the same way that i380 is not "undergeared" for current EX dungeons just because i390+ stuff exists. If it was, I would have gotten my ass beat trying to take three tank jobs through these dungeons. I didn't.

So yes, this thread is overblowing it.

It seems you are not.

Oh it is because there is a huge difference in stats that is not comparable to actual endgame gear, you better go back and check it because you obviously missed it.

So no this thread is not overblowing this thread is just reacting to the lack of understanding of someone certain.

[MoroMurasaki]

This is why we need ilvl locks.

[Fynlar]

I've seen tanks get one shot by the tank buster of the last boss in Castrum Abania so I wouldn't recommend it, not that it can't be done but the healer will be working overtime on more than one occasion to make up for the lack of gear.

Seen that happen even to fully geared level 70 tanks (yes, I know the dungeon has some item level sync on it). Seriously though, the only time I've ever died to Ketu Slash was when the healer was dead / wipe was imminent anyway.

What you describe is caused more by three other things (or a combination of them): 1) tank not using cooldowns for it, 2) healers tunnelvisioning and either not aware that the boss has a tankbuster-style attack (most bosses do though, so it really shouldn't be some kind of surprise by this point??) and letting the tank linger at low HP, and/or not cleansing the debuffs that Ketu Slash eventually starts causing, 3) fight dragging on for too long to the point where he powers himself up too much, which is sort of an extension of #2 and is a failing of the DPS. #1 is the problem I see by far the most when it comes to tanks dying to this (and appropriately enough it is the only one the tank has any real control over)

In short, if a tank at i270 is dying to Ketu Slash, there are almost certainly other problems at play that would still be present even if he were completely up to date gear-wise. This isn't a gear problem, otherwise I wouldn't keep seeing even fully geared tanks dying to it.

[Dualgunner]

I suppose anyone who ever does anything in the game without the absolute top of the line gear is just being selfish and inconsiderate to you, then. Because that's basically what your position amounts to.

If that's the case, then yep, I guess I'm selfish and inconsiderate. Boo hoo.

It's more to do with your flippant attitude, the way you talk down to everybody, and blatant strawmanning with this black and white "Either you're in terrible gear or the best gear" view on the matter.

Personally I don't give a rat's ass as long as the content gets done cleanly and efficiently

It's by definition not efficient because your gear is trash, Mr Rat's Ass.