This video tells you why some people thought FFXIV 1.2. is a better MMO than 2.0

[Ilan]

I get that the OP is trying to say that a dead game, which cost SE a ton of money for several reasons, was so much better than what we have now.

What i don't get is why the OP is still here if this game bothers him/her so much. I mean having an oppinion is one thing but paying for a game that i obviously and strongly dislike is something that i'll never understand.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yep, pretty much - and even without enrage, you'd end with a "meta"-strat or route anyways. As always in games, actually.
So I'd be most curious to hear how 1.0 solved the problem of having one "meta" or "best" way and actually making this a choice and not "the one boss everyone always does and its two brothers that no one is ever intrested in".

1.x got around the meta by having the meta be "have everything leveled and geared, and if you don't, you cant do this"

You could switch jobs in dungeons, so people were required to have blm, mnk, and idr the others, just for cutters cry.

[Enla]

1.x got around the meta by having the meta be "have everything leveled and geared, and if you don't, you cant do this"

You could switch jobs in dungeons, so people were required to have blm, mnk, and idr the others, just for cutters cry.

That frankly sounds like hell...

[SerLuke]

1.x got around the meta by having the meta be "have everything leveled and geared, and if you don't, you cant do this"

You could switch jobs in dungeons, so people were required to have blm, mnk, and idr the others, just for cutters cry.

So thankful for Yoshi P and the current dev team so we don’t have to deal with this kind of nonsense

[InkstainedGwyn]

You're mistaking needless complication with enjoyable depth.

That seems to be a large problem these days. 90% of folks defending Eureka claim that detractors "can't handle the difficulty" and it's not difficulty. It's the same repetitive motion, over and over again, for 3 hours. If I wanted that I'd go clean my attic. The same dungeon with different paths is just a normal dungeon v hard version of the same dungeon. After you've run them both enough times it's still just boring.

[Sigma-Astra]

This is entirely based on opinion. 1.x (IMHO) sounded far more original than ARR, which for the most part, felt like it pulled from so many other popular compositions (Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, etc.). Like so many other aspects of the game - original races aside - the music of 1.0 felt like it was trying to be different and have its own character, while still feeling very Final Fantasy. HW music (again, IMHO) was a vast improvement over ARR, but even it sounded like it pulled liberally from other sources (Secret of Mana, Kingdom Hearts, etc.). Unfortunately, SB music seems to be the worst of the bunch, with the main theme being greatly overused with little variance.

The reason that 1.0 felt like it was trying to be "different" was because there was no musical direction in 1.0 at all, the music was all over the place. They went to Uematsu and basically just said "Here's a game, now make some music for said game", and that was it. That's not really because of originality, it's because there literally was no art direction concerning the musical scores. They basically just took whatever Uematsu put out, put a stamp on it, and threw it into the game. And the one part that isn't entirely based on opinion is the fact that 1.0 does not use real instruments. It's all synthesized and fake, and you can hear the difference between listening to a 1.0 soundtrack and XIV one where Soken changed aspects of it.

As for the main SB theme being used a lot throughout the game, that's called a motif and something that gets used a lot in music composition generally. Soken has done that since ARR, it was lightly noticeable in HW, but SB's theme is just a very easy melody to hear than the HW theme with a very distinctive pattern of notes.

Regarding your snippets and nitpicks over ARR pulling inspiration from other renowned musical talents, I'm not sure how you think that's a bad thing again (I'm also not sure how anything in XIV sounds like Star Wars to you).

/shrugs

[Theplatter]

The reason that 1.0 felt like it was trying to be "different" was because there was no musical direction in 1.0 at all, the music was all over the place. They went to Uematsu and basically just said "Here's a game, now make some music for said game", and that was it. That's not really because of originality, it's because there literally was no art direction concerning the musical scores. They basically just took whatever Uematsu put out, put a stamp on it, and threw it into the game. And the one part that isn't entirely based on opinion is the fact that 1.0 does not use real instruments. It's all synthesized and fake, and you can hear the difference between listening to a 1.0 soundtrack and XIV one where Soken changed aspects of it.

As for the main SB theme being used a lot throughout the game, that's called a motif and something that gets used a lot in music composition generally. Soken has done that since ARR, it was lightly noticeable in HW, but SB's theme is just a very easy melody to hear than the HW theme with a very distinctive pattern of notes.

Regarding your snippets and nitpicks over ARR pulling inspiration from other renowned musical talents, I'm not sure how you think that's a bad thing again (I'm also not sure how everything in XIV sounds like Star Wars to you).

/shrugs

Thank you for your well-constructed response, that was unfortunately soiled by your last statement - I never once said that everything in XIV sounds like Star Wars. It was listed as one of Soken's sources of inspiration that I heard in ARR.

[Sigma-Astra]

Well said,
You can often see some old school MMO players making good posts like this. thanks

I will say the "MMORPG is a service" concept is BS, it's an excuse for not knowing how to make a real MMO, bad gameplay & lack of imagination

I played old school MMO's too and let me just say that it's not a BS concept. I'm tired of spending 5 years to get even a small centimeter of progress into Goal A. Gamers evolve alongside technology and the current trends.

XIV as it is now is a breath of fresh air where I don't need to spend months to years to achieve something because no one has that kind of time anymore to waste on one video game.

We all thought it was fun to grind back then because it was the only thing we had and the only thing we knew.

We're all smarter now. You can either move on with the rest of us, enjoy life, and enjoy the way MMO's have changed...or you can stay in the past clinging to something that's never coming back.

[Sigma-Astra]

Thank you for your well-constructed response, that was unfortunately soiled by your last statement - I never once said that everything in XIV sounds like Star Wars. It was listed as one of Soken's sources of inspiration that I heard in ARR.

Ah, sorry, I meant "anything", but my brain typed "everything". Still, I'm still not sure what you heard that reminds you of Star Wars. I can't think of any track that comes to mind close towards that type of style anyways.

[Penthea]

2.0 gives you a lot of candies, but after you taste them for a while, you will find that there's no much stuff behind it, the game is very shallow & simple

If you truly feel this way then why are you paying your sub? You're wasting your time and money on a game you clearly do not enjoy. Do you hate 2.0+ so much that you're willing to pay real money just to complain about it?