Don't like Blue Mage? Here is how to convince SE to change it...

[jon041065]

By that point, you'll have 17 jobs to run current content with. But apparently people hear BLU and suddenly all other jobs are deleted...

Also, really? Defecating semantics? Compared to using "But I always wanted to main a job I was never sure was coming to the game" as if it's a reasonable argument? Talk about temporal paradoxes.

It's almost like people wanted to main a job in relevant content that can use enemy abilities. Do one of those other 17 jobs do that? No? Then that "point" is well pointless.

[BillyKaplan]

By that point, you'll have 17 jobs to run current content with. But apparently people hear BLU and suddenly all other jobs are deleted...

1. It shows intent from the devs. We don't like this direction.
2. If they suddenly erase BLM from the game, I won't pick up NIN. I'll pick up another game. People wanted to play BLU, they wanted to main BLU. In the face of that fact, the existence of other jobs is irrelevant.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

It's almost like people wanted to main a job in relevant content that can use enemy abilities. Do one of those other 17 jobs do that? No? Then that "point" is well pointless.

BLU hasn't been a crucial factor on the game for the past 5 years. Was BLU promised upon launch of the game or whenever someone buys the game? Then that point is pointless.

[BillyKaplan]

BLU hasn't been a crucial factor on the game for the past 5 years. Was BLU promised upon launch of the game or whenever someone buys the game? Then that point is pointless.

With all due respect, so does your post. It barely relates to what you quoted nor does it matter in the least.
People have been asking for BLU for a long time. They did not ask BLU so it will be a glorified mini-game. That is what we ended up getting. They're allowed to voice their discontent with this.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

1. It shows intent from the devs. We don't like this direction.
2. If they suddenly erase BLM from the game, I won't pick up NIN. I'll pick up another game. People wanted to play BLU, they wanted to main BLU. In the face of that fact, the existence of other jobs is irrelevant.

1. Playerbase hasn't always been reliable on giving feedback. Diadem 280 weapon crisis is a strong example of that.
2. Changing an existing class is a whole different matter from introducing a class in a way some people might not like. SE hasn't promised nor do they owe people BLU to people who want to main BLU in the way they'd prefer. The other classes still exist and people can still play the game with them. Acting otherwise just undermines their cause, because it seems they're arguing solely from preference or emotion, but also that BLU is a crucial part of the game when it hasn't existed for 5 years and the game is arguably fine. Also player preference doesn't mean it's alright to demean the work of the devs on the remaining classes, which is what's people seem to be implying ("once I got my BLU, screw the rest of the classes. Waste of good development time").

[JohnSpawnVFX]

With all due respect, so does your post. It barely relates to what you quoted nor does it matter in the least.
People have been asking for BLU for a long time. They did not ask BLU so it will be a glorified mini-game. That is what we ended up getting. They're allowed to voice their discontent with this.

Citation for it being a minigame required. Unless you're part of the dev team now.

Claiming it's a minigame just to justify invalid "but I wanted to main a class I was never promised I could main with" lol

[BillyKaplan]

("once I got my BLU, screw the rest of the classes. Waste of good development time").

Citation required.
So far, people defending this seem to have an unhealthy amount of assuming things the devs have given basically opposite statements to, and villifying the people who aren't happy with this. :\

No, the devs never promised anything about BLU. So? "Thanks, we hate it" is still a legitimate form of feedback and the sooner they get the chance to hear it, the better, because it improves the chances of them changing it even if by a bit.

Citation for it being a minigame required.

But it IS a minigame. It's side content that can interact with a limited amount of the main game.

Claiming it's a minigame just to justify invalid "but I wanted to main a class I was never promised I could main with" lol

And we've finally come to this level of debate. Good talk y'all, glad we had it.

[Inoch]

Citation for it being a minigame required. Unless you're part of the dev team now.

Claiming it's a minigame just to justify invalid "but I wanted to main a class I was never promised I could main with" lol

Did you even watch the livestream? It's a solo instance to "test" you. While we don't know what the incentive is to do it, it is just something you can do solo. No big difference from doing mini bingo in GS.

[jon041065]

2. Changing an existing class is a whole different matter from introducing a class in a way some people might not like. SE hasn't promised nor do they owe people BLU to people who want to main BLU in the way they'd prefer. The other classes still exist and people can still play the game with them. Acting otherwise just undermines their cause, because it seems they're arguing solely from preference or emotion, but also that BLU is a crucial part of the game when it hasn't existed for 5 years and the game is arguably fine. Also player preference doesn't mean it's alright to demean the work of the devs on the remaining classes, which is what's people seem to be implying ("once I got my BLU, screw the rest of the classes. Waste of good development time").

You're going to a costume party this week. You're hoping that this store has the costume you want in stock then you find out that it does. You get really excited but then find out that the host of the party has a problem with your costume for silly reasons. You can still go to the party and have fun in another costume but you probably would have enjoyed yourself more if you were allowed to go in the costume you wanted.

I've seen no one say that they want to main blue AND then drop all other jobs. We can like the other jobs still and have them as our alts.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Citation required.
So far, people defending this seem to have an unhealthy amount of assuming things the devs have given basically opposite statements to, and villifying the people who aren't happy with this. :\
Do you mean that people that seem to be having an unhealthy obsession with BLU?
No, the devs never promised anything about BLU. So? "Thanks, we hate it" is still a legitimate form of feedback and the sooner they get the chance to hear it, the better, because it improves the chances of them changing it even if by a bit.
And you have a whole other side saying that it's fine, don't change it.


But it IS a minigame. It's side content that can interact with a limited amount of the main game.
So ARR as a whole is a minigame now?


And we've finally come to this level of debate. Good talk y'all, glad we had it.

Glad you were there when I was told that I was "defecating semantics". Oh wait, you were busy taking sides and only pointing out "levels of debate" when it doesn't suit you.