State of Dragoon?

[Lyth]

From the standpoint of the average NA/EU player, the single most influential factor in bringing a job is whether you make your teammates' dps look better. Your personal dps is a distant second. As long as DRGs bring Piercing, they're going to be a must pick. Your BRD will make sure of that. The same is true for NIN and Trick for most groups, although I think that that's also a case of supply not quite meeting demand.

Personally, I think they should get rid of the Slashing and Piercing buffs, simply because they add nothing to gameplay, and your damage potential shouldn't hinge on forcing you to bring certain jobs (let's face it, it's not like you need to force players to bring a WAR, NIN, or DRG). Out of eight possible raid spots, four to five of those have almost always filled by the same jobs for nearly six years now. I think it's high time to shake things up.

[Duskane]

its fine
like the real its fine
not the Drk its fine

[Exiled_Tonberry]

DRK is "fine".


And by fine, I mean that you can still clear content. Your job may be a clunky, weak, unbalanced, nonsensical mess that does everything worse than everyone else and is nothing but a handicap to serious raids, but you can clear content so in everyone's eyes you're "fine".

[Darkpaw]

DRK is "fine".


And by fine, I mean that you can still clear content. Your job may be a clunky, weak, unbalanced, nonsensical mess that does everything worse than everyone else and is nothing but a handicap to serious raids, but you can clear content so in everyone's eyes you're "fine".

With the exception to the rule being mch which is just god awful and ping gated horribly so most people can’t play it optimally. But yea everything else is just fine to play in end game

[Jinzhu]

With the exception to the rule being mch which is just god awful and ping gated horribly so most people can’t play it optimally. But yea everything else is just fine to play in end game

MCH isn't god awful. It's only a bit worse than it's counterpart in one ranged comps but is still plenty strong in a DRG/NIN/MCH/BRD comp. The main problem with MCH is that it got super shafted with gear and that BRDs damage scales per raid tier with more crit. But yes it's design is pretty awful.

[Shurrikhan]

Well...so is SAM but there’s a lot of SAM hate..DRK can be part of the meta, but gets little to no credit. The general consensus of DRG is that they’re the first to fly and first to die. Where do they shine, what’s different now, what’re the cons to DRG? Are they in a great spot at the moment, basically average, or less than average?

DRG, BRD, and NIN have been the most desired jobs of Stormblood since DRG's buffs, if not before.

SAM has been relatively excluded from the meta until the very latest patch, certainly more so than DRK or generally even WHM.

A very obvious flaw of fflogs is that it compares only personal dps, not raid dps contribution, and only against others of the same job. Thus, the more rDPS you give, the higher others parses without your own percentile suffering, but the more personal dps you give, the more you need others to give rDPS just to hold average. It badly slights personal DPS jobs (as, despite their higher amounts, their percentages/averages will just shift accordingly) and those who raid with them (as they'll be denied the tools to appear to be good players).

[Jinzhu]

DRG, BRD, and NIN have been the most desired jobs of Stormblood since DRG's buffs, if not before.

SAM has been relatively excluded from the meta until the very latest patch, certainly more so than DRK or generally even WHM.

A very obvious flaw of fflogs is that it compares only personal dps, not raid dps contribution, and only against others of the same job. Thus, the more rDPS you give, the higher others parses without your own percentile suffering, but the more personal dps you give, the more you need others to give rDPS just to hold average. It badly slights personal DPS jobs (as, despite their higher amounts, their percentages/averages will just shift accordingly) and those who raid with them (as they'll be denied the tools to appear to be good players).

Check out XIVRDPS! it's a really cool website that cuts out the damage from raid buffs and gives a near accurate DPS in the form of raid dps!

[Hierro]

DRK is "fine".


And by fine, I mean that you can still clear content. Your job may be a clunky, weak, unbalanced, nonsensical mess that does everything worse than everyone else and is nothing but a handicap to serious raids, but you can clear content so in everyone's eyes you're "fine".

This just in-- having the strongest personal dps and strongest personal mitigation is "weak and unbalanced!"

[Lyth]

In what content and what percentile are you cherry-picking DRK as doing more dps than WAR now? I'm also curious what your metric is for mitigation, especially given how broken Holmgang is.

[Hierro]

In what content and what percentile are you cherry-picking DRK as doing more dps than WAR now? I'm also curious what your metric is for mitigation, especially given how broken Holmgang is.

If you've getting outplayed on WAR by any other tank, might I suggest Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest as being a title pitched at a more suitable skill level?

the fellas at the balance have mathed out dps for every tank and found drk to be the highest, doncha kno?