BLU for Duty Finder and Raids! Show your support!

[Nariel]

think of this as a test period, give good, constructive feedback that helps the team and Yokozawa when you get your hands on it so they can identify problem areas, and in the 6 months to 5.0 they should have enough data on both what the player base wants out of blue and increase the lvl cap (hopefully to 80 at 5.0)

Ya'll "its a beta test" claimer are aware they clearly stated it isn't a test phase for further modification ?

Limited job isn't a temporary state. Its a whole new thing in its own. BLU isn't gonne change ever. He will never be re-balanced outside of its Limitied solo content cause that how he was designed from the start. They clearly stated it as a secondary content, as a new type of content with definitive restriction that will stay at it is and be updated in its limlited content. Its at best a mini-game. BLU has as many chance to be pull out of its limited shell than Lord of verminion to become a overworld pokemon-like activity.

Its just a colosseum where you play as a Blue mage and you can use you blue mage to collect spell in outdated content and its all, there is nothing else to hope for cause its what they choose to do and its where the whole years of works as been spend.

[JBee]

If one of the primary concerns is people not having skills to use in the content, then they should absolutely gate that content behind acquisition of those skills.

"Sorry, you need at least 24 Abilities learned to to queue for Leveling Roulette."

Require a number of them; or require specific ones.

"Sorry, you need to have gained the following abilities to queue for Expert Roulette" and then list them. Or list the locations for them and not the names of the abilities themselves.

If the abilities cannot be swapped once inside an instance, than go one step further and require certain ones, or certain types.

If it's one specifically don't want people to use - LVL5 Death has been thrown around a lot.... Either prohibit queueing with it slotted in, or have bosses be immune to it. "Sorry, you cannot queue for this roulette with the following abilities equipped: LVL5 Death, White Wind."

[Xtrasweettea]

its a caster dps, theyve already slotted it into the triad for pf stuff

Thank you for the confirmation.

So, removing emotion aside, let’s think about this in the context of the history of DR (specifically any of the dungeons).

DR history shows that there is always a need for tanks. There is also a time a need for healers, counting on the roulette (I have seen the “need” bonus for healers in DR: Leveling more than in the other DRs). So, suffice it to say, there is a shortage of tanks for DR all around. I will call this point up again later but keep this in mind as we go through this.

Let’s assume tomorrow that SE announces that BLU can be used for duty roulette dungeons and level appropriate raids in the patch it is released in. Though, to keep things fair, the enhanced EXP that BLU would get for killing enemies in the overworld is removed. Instead, BLU will get the same EXP for killing overworld enemies like everyone else.

In sequential patches, BLU will be able access more dungeons and raids as its level cap increases.

So, everyone who gets wants BLU to do DR is happy with the opportunity to do so.
Now since BLU is more options, more people would be interested in it and will take it to DR (based on the vocal feedback on these forums). So other than DPS players interested in BLU, there are tank players and healers who will be interested. What do you think the queue time for DPS will become?

Recall what I stated earlier about the already shortage of tanks and healers for DR.
Instead of having efficient leveling with BLU doing overworld activities (like FATES and Leviquests) and getting that enhanced EXP from killing monsters, you get to have a 40+ DPS Queue time for DR: Leveling while doing FATES as you wait.

This will be very much like how when Rouge and Ninja came out: long queues and complaints on the forums and redit about the DPS queue time. It seems like no one remembers about that fiasco.

I am all for BLU doing DR, and long as the “DR camp” for BLU players are going to accept the consequences of such a change, especially if you guys want to have BLU in DR immediately.

I say, let SE do their thing and when they hit that last patch, bug them for DR allowance. Once the "fresh new" smell is gone from the job, if they move BLU to DR, queue time wouldn't be as long.

[Astarotha]

Ya'll "its a beta test" claimer are aware they clearly stated it isn't a test phase for further modification ?

Limited job isn't a temporary state. Its a whole new thing in its own. BLU isn't gonne change ever. He will never be re-balanced outside of its Limitied solo content cause that how he was designed from the start. They clearly stated it as a secondary content, as a new type of content with definitive restriction that will stay at it is and be updated in its limlited content. Its at best a mini-game. BLU has as many chance to be pull out of its limited shell than Lord of verminion to become a overworld pokemon-like activity.

Its just a colosseum where you play as a Blue mage and you can use you blue mage to collect spell in outdated content and its all, there is nothing else to hope for cause its what they choose to do and its where the whole years of works as been spend.

theres a reason i didnt call it beta, every new job is going to have a test period where they identify from the data they get problem areas and come up with solutions to those areas, and they do listen to community feedback like when they made mch and brd casters by giving them an "add castbar" abilitiy and it was extremely poorly received, they retooled ranged dps to be highly mobile again, if they receive great data and overwhelming positive support from the job with the major want from it to be able to use it in df content like a full job, they may just remove those restrictions

am i gonna demand it and huff and rage, no, im super happy to have it, but i think there are ways they could use blue mage as designed in all content because they have several systems in the game already that do exactly what blue mage does, from interchangeble actions in role actions, various sanity checks in the df for things like lvl/ilv/have you unlocked these dungeons/etc, many other player actions being a benchmark for most of the actions blue mage can get, and a built in action limit of 24, and the fact you can use it at launch in pf (non solo) content up to lvl 50

[Nariel]

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Except every other job get implemented normaly in normal content and get balanced by small change or rework at expansion to keep up with other, they weren't isolated in solo content with the "solo only job" tag on it.

But whatever float your boat even if its delusion.

As far as it goes for me the most accurate name would be the Hopeless masquerade.

[Delebot]

Supported.

Basically all I want is compatibility with current content and the Duty Finder.
This game can exist with BLU having the unique monster learning gameplay and the Masked Carnival, alongside the content that all the other jobs get to do as well.

[Aniond]

I've thought about this for some time and the only way to make it work is to treat BLU skills like armor and weapons and assign them a ilevel. What I would do if have them scale with current content. If your doing ARR content it has a max ilevel of 90, and so forth all the way up to ShadowBringers. Lets say at level 75 your max ilevel is 390, that is 390 points you could assign to skills. If you want 10k needles, since it could be considered an overpowered skill, that would cost like like 90 ilevel. There is no happy solution. As long as there is progression, BLU will struggle to find their place.

[Astarotha]

how you take care of that is by giving the 24 slots you can put spells into a level threshold, if you go into satasha any level slots above like 18 are locked (like say 3-4 slots unlocked), and the ilv sync does the rest of the work

[ScarecrowJames]

BLU doesn't work for party content, don't pretend that it does. What we would get is this, or a watered-down imitation of BLU, which would generate backlash regardless. This is BLU exactly as BLU should be, and putting it in a party scenario wouldn't work because it can't be balanced against other jobs. This is how the backlash looks:

Community: "We are bored of the predictable formula, give us something we have never seen before"

Devs: "Here is a brand new concept for how jobs are played, and here is BLU exactly as it is in other games"

Community: "Nooo, we never asked for that"

Getting tired of this "something we've never seen before"
It is so false The entire concept of Blumage a job is no different than any other job except this one does the following.

Learns abilities from seeing and killing a monster via RNG drop chance like loot from an extremes, savage or dungeon drops. Such Change.
Has Job quest but are called The Carnival where you must use your learned abilities to clear said quest/challenge. Such change.
To level up you kill random monsters/fates in the world for increased experience as opposed to doing dungeons in random parties. WOW I have never done this before! Never before have I killed monsters in the open world during 2.0 fate train or 3.0 or 4.0s launch issues where you could only do fates and monsters because the duty finder was down. Eureka? No this is completely different. Such Change. Eureka and Blu are both brand new content I have never done before even if the same concept existed beforehand.

The only thing new about Blumage is the sake of it being a new job. It performs in just about the same way every other job does except it is excluded due to Level caps and restricted to pre-formed parties (except PVP, no PVP at all).
You learn abilities, follow the meta unless you are okay with being "bad".

[Mibgestalt]

I don't get how people can say "true" BLU can't work in party content, yet ignore how "true" WHM could have never worked in solo content. They made the changes for that, they could make them for this.