They announced how worlds would be shuffled.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It’s a bit difficult to foster a raiding community with the 10% left on Crystal when 90% of it is on Aether.

Seems like a player caused issue to me.

[BillyKaplan]

Seems like a player caused issue to me.

Players: [foster relationships for years]
Players: [have paid money before to move servers to be where they want to be]
SE: [tears the community apart]
SE: why can't the players solve this problem?

[HyoMinPark]

Seems like a player caused issue to me.

Yes. We clearly caused this issue after fostering communities for years on certain servers for certain activities (Balmung/Mateus for RP, Gilgamesh/Sargatanas/Leviathan for raiding) only to have them torn apart and unevenly distributed all because the developers can’t have the foresight to NOT place an MSQ instance 10 quests into the new expansion.

But, by all means, try to foster a new raiding community on Crystal when 90% of it is on Aether, and then come back and tell us all how easy it was for you. We’ll wait.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yes. We clearly caused this issue after fostering communities for years on certain servers for certain activities (Balmung/Mateus for RP, Gilgamesh/Sargatanas/Leviathan for raiding) only to have them torn apart and unevenly distributed all because the developers can’t have the foresight to NOT place an MSQ instance 10 quests into the new expansion.

But, by all means, try to foster a new raiding community on Crystal when 90% of it is on Aether, and then come back and tell us all how easy it was for you. We’ll wait.

Balmung had a pretty big raiding population back during coil, before cross world party finder was a thing. In fact, it wasn't until Gordias that raiding on balmung got bad, and that was only because people jumped ship to greg thinking they could get carries on the "raiding" server.

Theres no reason why new statics cant form, people can raid anywhere.

I know you are a big shot ultimate raider, but its not hard to raid with people who aren't big shots. Just takes like minded people, who can be found anywhere, and some effort. Lots of outrage and "were gonna designate servers for this" fixes nothing.

[HyoMinPark]

Balmung had a pretty big raiding population back during coil, before cross world party finder was a thing. In fact, it wasn't until Gordias that raiding on balmung got bad, and that was only because people jumped ship to greg thinking they could get carries on the "raiding" server.

And from what I have heard, a lot of those raiders are considering leaving and going back to Aether where the majority of the raid community is.

I know you are a big shot ultimate raider, but its not hard to raid with people who aren't big shots. Just takes like minded people, who can be found anywhere, and some effort. Lots of outrage and "were gonna designate servers for this" fixes nothing.

Raiding with individuals who do not share your same goals and level of skill are a recipe for disaster. You wouldn’t throw softcore raiders into a group of hardcore raiders, just like you wouldn’t throw a hardcore raider into a group of softcore. The goals are not the same, and eventually all the contention and frustration over it will bubble over and result in members leaving and/or statics breaking.

But, thank you, for proving you don’t actually have an argument. You wouldn’t have to devolve into cheap-shot ad hominem if you did.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

And from what I have heard, a lot of those raiders are considering leaving and going back to Aether where the majority of the raid community is.



Thank you for proving you don’t actually have an argument. You wouldn’t have to devolve into cheap-shot ad hominem if you did.

My point wasn't to make a cheap shot, but to prove a point. You don't have to be a big shot raider surrounded by other big shot raiders to have a good time and clear content (in this case raids). Everyone jumping ship is just going to cause the same issues from before, except now even RP'ers are apparently jumping ship. So now we have a full datacenter because no one wants to put forth any effort into making new friends or fostering new groups.

I'm all for people moving to stick with friends, and it sucks for those groups being broken up, but to be this outraged and have this kind of reaction to it is simply hilarious to me.


I'm also probably stirring the pot more than i intent to, im bad at wording things correctly. I will end my comments here.

[HyoMinPark]

My point wasn't to make a cheap shot, but to prove a point. You don't have to be a big shot raider surrounded by other big shot raiders to have a good time and clear content (in this case raids).

You don’t make a comment like that if you aren’t trying to make a cheap shot. Why call someone a “big-shot Ultimate raider” when you can simply say “I know that you enjoy Ultimate raids” if you weren’t trying to make a jab at someone?

Also, see my addition:

Raiding with individuals who do not share your same goals and level of skill are a recipe for disaster. You wouldn’t throw softcore raiders into a group of hardcore raiders, just like you wouldn’t throw a hardcore raider into a group of softcore. The goals are not the same, and eventually all the contention and frustration over it will bubble over and result in members leaving and/or statics breaking.

Anyone who would want to do something like the Ultimate raids or do speedkills/optimization runs cannot achieve that goal if they are raiding with people who do not share that goals.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

My point wasn't to make a cheap shot, but to prove a point. You don't have to be a big shot raider surrounded by other big shot raiders to have a good time and clear content (in this case raids). Everyone jumping ship is just going to cause the same issues from before, except now even RP'ers are apparently jumping ship. So now we have a full datacenter because no one wants to put forth any effort into making new friends or fostering new groups.

I have an existing friend circle, static and housing. Why is it mine or anyone's responsibly to make new friends? What a silly thing to say. People don't want to lose their existing communities nor should they. Hence why they're outraged. If you had ties, maybe you'd appreciate that.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I have an existing friend circle, static and housing. Why is it mine or anyone's responsibly to make new friends? What a silly thing to say. People don't want to lose their existing communities nor should they. Hence why they're outraged. If you had ties, maybe you'd appreciate that.

I'm losing my old static, as well as some old friends. But it is what it is. Its happened every time I moved states too, but that's how things go. I simply just stopped being outraged over things like this a long time ago, as it was bad for my health.

I picked the group of friends i was closest to back when they allowed free transfers off Balmung, and moved with them. It is the same case here.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I know you are a big shot ultimate raider, but its not hard to raid with people who aren't big shots. Just takes like minded people, who can be found anywhere, and some effort. Lots of outrage and "were gonna designate servers for this" fixes nothing.

And if those like-minded people are all on Aether? You may only care about doing stuff casually, but other people don't. Which is why Balmung is currently exploding with people leaving. As more and more people funnel back to Aether, it will becoming increasingly difficult to find these "like-minded people" even for raiders who aren't "big shot ultimate raiders".

I wonder if you'll feel the same should Crystal's PF scene be complete dead.