Shiver Emote : two YEARS of farming on average

[Dirwen]

Plus all that useless gil just sitting in our pockets.


Unless you're in the real estate business of never-ending deco.


Unless you're an omni-crafter/gatherer who just makes their own deco. Then you're sitting with useless gil again.

Yea gil is mostly useless to me since I don't own a house as the thought of losing it if I take a long break scares me. I decided to slowly save my gil to buy a particular expensive mount off the MB instead. Might take a few months to a year to afford it as I don't actively farm gil unless it's from content I need something else from too.

[Leloa]

I think it's ridiculous. Emotes costs more than anything on MB they should drop more often than being that rare. They should at least cost like 5mil if even that but the pogos emote is 80mil on my server.

[Cincierta]

Much as I hate to bump a post, I was reading this and it got me thinking about another rng element that's in another game I sometimes play before it was actually scaled down severely. Anyone familiar with Riven mods in Warframe would probably know this. If not, in a nutshell they were mods that had completely random stats, even negative ones i.e. negative damage towards a faction. Riven mods, if you were extremely lucky/unlucky with rolls, it would either be god-tier or utter garbage. The riven would be veiled and you had to complete a challenge to unlock it, ranging from relatively simple to almost impossible. It would be broken down into three types: primary, secondary, or melee, and any one of those listed would draw upon ANY weapon in the game, whether you had it or not. Prime variants were excluded from the pool, but the riven could still be applied and given the bonuses to said weapon provided the base weapon exists. At the time of release in 2016, there were approximately 275ish weapons in the game it could draw upon for the pool, and about 20 or so effects it could roll on each riven, with up to 4 slots available. Oh, and you could not influence the stats at all.

Because whoever came up with that system was either too faithful to players being careful and considerate of their whole arsenal, or just wanted to watch the world burn.

Rerolling required Kuva, resource you had to farm and could not buy. On release, you could do a mission near where the Kuva Fortress that would circle the solar sytem and pray to RNGJesus that you would get that 25% chance of getting a siphon to spawn. Then that was changed to show where the siphons would be and you could run said mission for Kuva.

Then came the problem of farming Kuva. On average you'd get 600ish per normal mission (around 800-1200 with a resource booster if you had bought one), somewhere in the 4k-8k range if you did the Flood missions; or if you failed the siphon, you'd only get 1/3 of that. Each time you rerolled your Riven, the cost of rerolling would go up. Someone figured out the formula for kuva cost and it went something like this:

Cycle cost = 100x {Rerollattempt - 1}^2+900, which made your cost go something like this: 600, 900, 1000, 1300, 1800, 2500, 3400, 4500, 5800, 7300, 9000. Back then the cost DID NOT have a cap. At 30 rolls, the cost would be 85k kuva.

If you religiously hunted every day for kuva missions pre-change and farmed, your average time getting the perfect roll for a single riven was 90 YEARS. Good f*&king luck.

TL;DR: farming around 2 years for a single emote is not as bad as the severely layered RNG of Rivens in another game.

[Schan]

Much as I hate to bump a post, I was reading this and it got me thinking about another rng element that's in another game I sometimes play before it was actually scaled down severely. Anyone familiar with Riven mods in Warframe would probably know this. If not, in a nutshell they were mods that had completely random stats, even negative ones i.e. negative damage towards a faction. Riven mods, if you were extremely lucky/unlucky with rolls, it would either be god-tier or utter garbage. The riven would be veiled and you had to complete a challenge to unlock it, ranging from relatively simple to almost impossible. It would be broken down into three types: primary, secondary, or melee, and any one of those listed would draw upon ANY weapon in the game, whether you had it or not. Prime variants were excluded from the pool, but the riven could still be applied and given the bonuses to said weapon provided the base weapon exists. At the time of release in 2016, there were approximately 275ish weapons in the game it could draw upon for the pool, and about 20 or so effects it could roll on each riven, with up to 4 slots available. Oh, and you could not influence the stats at all.

Because whoever came up with that system was either too faithful to players being careful and considerate of their whole arsenal, or just wanted to watch the world burn.

Rerolling required Kuva, resource you had to farm and could not buy. On release, you could do a mission near where the Kuva Fortress that would circle the solar sytem and pray to RNGJesus that you would get that 25% chance of getting a siphon to spawn. Then that was changed to show where the siphons would be and you could run said mission for Kuva.

Then came the problem of farming Kuva. On average you'd get 600ish per normal mission (around 800-1200 with a resource booster if you had bought one), somewhere in the 4k-8k range if you did the Flood missions; or if you failed the siphon, you'd only get 1/3 of that. Each time you rerolled your Riven, the cost of rerolling would go up. Someone figured out the formula for kuva cost and it went something like this:

Cycle cost = 100x {Rerollattempt - 1}^2+900, which made your cost go something like this: 600, 900, 1000, 1300, 1800, 2500, 3400, 4500, 5800, 7300, 9000. Back then the cost DID NOT have a cap. At 30 rolls, the cost would be 85k kuva.

If you religiously hunted every day for kuva missions pre-change and farmed, your average time getting the perfect roll for a single riven was 90 YEARS. Good f*&king luck.

TL;DR: farming around 2 years for a single emote is not as bad as the severely layered RNG of Rivens in another game.

I think it's because people here are not used to it lol which is not necessarily a bad thing. The devs have always tried to cater to the more casual people.

But yes other games can have it worse, but we should speak up against it here. If anything you're showing proof that players dislike layers and layers of RNG because at some point we'll consider the time investiment not worth for the reward. Also that warframe's bull is why i don't touch Rivens with a 10 foot pole either (also the fact that said rivens might get you banned if you sell them due to scammers =_=)

[Cincierta]

I think it's because people here are not used to it lol which is not necessarily a bad thing. The devs have always tried to cater to the more casual people.

But yes other games can have it worse, but we should speak up against it here. If anything you're showing proof that players dislike layers and layers of RNG because at some point we'll consider the time investiment not worth for the reward. Also that warframe's bull is why i don't touch Rivens with a 10 foot pole either (also the fact that said rivens might get you banned if you sell them due to scammers =_=)

What's worse is that DE was 'aiming at endgame players with something to work for and breathe new life into old items in their arsenal' and 'wanted people to not rely so much on meta' when in turn in made people want it more. It wasn't until the folks on Warframe reddit did the math and showed it to DE did the devs realize that they probably should've put more thought into this 'new endgame grind'. Most everyone over there, including myself, are used to grinding for stuff, and people will object to things when they're pretty damn absurd. I'm still looking at you Hema resource cost.

It isn't often that something like this actually changes the dev's minds about something. Only problem with SE is that they're a large company vs Digital Extremes which is a small company. Getting our voices to be heard here is going to be tougher unless we're FAR more vocal about it. Long grinds just are not very healthy, especially to those who are so determined to get the thing they want vs doing it once a week.

Also selling rivens don't get you banned. Buying it with illegitimate platinum will, or if you're unlucky, have the plat confiscated when they do trade checks on reporting.

[Erudito]

Regardless of how on point the math is, i find the drop rate of the emote to be a disrespectful insult to our time.

It’s an emote, a nigh useless piece of character animation. So why is it so rare? What possible reason could they have for making such a useless thing so rare?

So yeah, dear dev. team, I formally request something be done about this, as the item itself does not warrant such a headache.

[Doki]

No worse than the RNG in actually being online, not in an instance, and getting credit for 2k S ranks / 3k A ranks for the tiger mount. Still astounds me when I see someone with that mount.

[InkstainedGwyn]

No worse than the RNG in actually being online, not in an instance, and getting credit for 2k S ranks / 3k A ranks for the tiger mount. Still astounds me when I see someone with that mount.

While the sheer numbers compute, it's not quite the same because with a few exceptions we have all of the spawn conditions nailed down for all of the S ranks, as well as timers that track when they're up. If you put in the effort, you get the rewards. There's no RNG in whether or not you'll get centurio seals. If you're actually focused on hunting (which I'd compare to being active in Eureka), you can make most hunts on a given day, and you can be part of the group spawning the S rank. A few spawns are dicks, yes, but for the most part they go like clockwork - and you're not going to get kicked out after (what's the Eureka timer? 1.5 hours? 3 hours?). You can hunt for as long as you have time, and you're also not constantly forced to level through hoops to get to each hunt.

[Hyperia]

never Saw a bunny in Pagos, first lockout in Pyros...bunnies, bunnies everywhere.

Hopefully they will Mogststion the emote for $3.00 sometime in 5.0.

[BillyKaplan]

Hopefully they will Mogststion the emote for $3.00 sometime in 5.0.

How about we ask for it to be obtainable through something in-game, like achievement points or 5.0's PotD/HoH? :3c