Quote Originally Posted by Fishbowl3 View Post
it comes down to, half the game is toxic people, half the game is non toxic. they are toxic only because something bad happened in thier real lives, or they would care less about things like one person learning in a farm group, sure its meant for farm, but woo a guy off for wanting to learn in a farm group, plain toxic
It's not toxic to expect manners from people. Butting into a farm when you don't know enough of a fight is bad form. People already have enough trouble with trusting one another in PUGs because of folks who barely learned anything when they got their clears, individuals who got their clears just so they can leech off of everyone else with little to no effort, and so on. These groups, especially when a piece of content is quite new, typically don't want the extra burden of someone coming in who's new and knows nothing of the fight. Some are fine with the newb, especially when it's someone they know can and will learn what they need to fast. If you /tell the party lead that you know the fight, but haven't made it to a clear yet, then it's possible they will let you in and give you a chance, but only if they feel up to it. Again, people's trust has been historically tested on this. I lost count of how many times someone claimed they knew the fight, have seen up to whatever mechanic or enrage, and then proceed to mess up every single thing as though they don't know the basics of the fight in question.

Compare to an actual learning party where bad form is someone who makes the majority of the mistakes says the group is not a learning party after two whole wipes, and they leave instantly. That person who left because the rest of the group could not over-compensate for them would have been in the wrong. Whereas, someone who's fresh into the thick of things would be more than fine here since learning the fight is entirely the point of the group. Not learning to be carried, not learning to barely do mechanics while everyone else does that plus DPS, but learn their part in the encounter. In this case, I would only begin to call the group toxic if they DEMAND you watch a video, or that YOU KNOW a new method with some stupid name no one's heard about. That's not helping anyone that wants to learn. A guide helps, usually, but it should not be mandatory. The only things that should be required are the capacity to learn and the ability to carry your weight.

That's just being responsible.