[4.4 Raid Spoilers] Omega's Origin Is Nuts

[Iscah]

I don’t really see anything in the AST quotes that suggests individually moving stars rather than the collective movement of “the stars” across the heavens.

I don’t have time for more research now, but I think I remember reading that the benefic/malefic stuff is from actual astrology?

It’s too late/early/why-am-I-still-up to figure it out right now.

Kind of a meaningless add-on to the conversation but if you take all four languages into account, it's something like:

Frozen planet
Desert planet
Gaseous planet
Dying planet

Not meaningless at all! That would make a lot more sense probably.

Well, other than the fact that Sharlayan astrology doesn’t seem to mention any planets. Maybe Leveva is keeping it simple for Jannequinard’s sake.

(Future expansion skillset incoming?)

Anyway I could see it working within the solar system a lot better with a “gaseous plant” than a vortex.

Though, can we see a sun from Midgardsormr’s world? That might throw out the ideas all over again...

[ObsidianFire]

That wasn't quite the point I was making. The Astrologin Job treats the "Sun" as being somehow different the the "Stars". And then once Geomancy is introduced, it says that Geomancy draws on the aether of Hydaelyn the plant/star like Astrologins draw on the aether of the "Stars". So Astrologin's "Stars" are like Geomancer's "Planet". Only, Astrologins "Stars" form constellations like Earth's stars do. As in, they have fixed patterns in the Heavens and orbit a Pole Star in those same patterns.

The Dragonstar is talked about by the Ishgardians like it's a normal star (check out some intrinsic variable stars IRL; it sound a lot like one of those), but is talked about by Midgardsormr and Omega like it's a planet. Hydaelyn is referred to as both a planet and a star as well.

In light of that, I have to ask: is Hydaelyn's sun considered a star or not by the Astronomers/Astrologins in-game?

[YianKutku]

Astrologian calculations still work by assigning significance to the empty space where Dalamud should be had it not fallen, even though now everyone knows it was completely artificial and not a "natural" celestial body, so who even knows how astrology works in FFXIV.

[Remedi]

Ah, Wikipedia. Currently browsing history features all sorts of articles on planets, stars, white dwarfs, multi-star solar systems, accretion discs, the Roche limit, stellar collisions, virtual black holes and stars literally tearing their planets apart....

Anyway.



Sorry, you hadn't clarified you were talking about it as a planet around another star - I was the only one who'd talked about it as being the observed "dragon star", and (at least in my mind) only if it was within the solar system. A more distant origin would mean they have to be observing the star itself.

I was also going to say that even a glowing planet wouldn't be visible against the glare of its star, but that started my Wiki adventure because I remembered about Sirius being a double-star with a white dwarf, which glows. (Main star is 1.7 x the Sun's radius; dwarf star is Earth-sized.) That is visible in a telescope, and was discovered in the mid-1800s - so still somewhat ahead of Ishgard's technology level.

Also the first scientific detection of an exoplanet (ie. orbiting a star other than the Sun) didn't happen until 1988, although was theorised a lot earlier.

No worries, my fault for not explaining myself better

[Bright-Flower]

With Ishgardian astrology I found it interesting that Midgarsormr seems to scoff at the idea of it when you first meet him at Keeper of the Lake, that always made me wonder if it's actually reliable or not.

[whiskeybravo]

Moreover, I think this whole origin story throws a lot of wrenches into the creation myth of the universe. As it stands, the cosmos was just a blob of aether until Hydy and Zodiark diffused from it to form the planet of Hydalyn and the moon of Zodiark. But it was sort of implied that everything beyond these 2 celestial bodies is pointless/meaningless and it's a geo-centric universe.

I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and point out that, it's not like our own creation myths are flawless in this regard. Earth was the center of the universe (before it wasn't) but our Gods are still the only "gods" out there? If humans are fallible then so are our beliefs.

[Davy_M_Jones]

We can already be assured that the creation myth for Eorzea is as potentially inaccurate to what really transpired there as the myths that apply to our own religions and beliefs!

Pray to the Twelve, and see if they answer.

[Zephanoa]

Star is a loose term if you think about it. When we look at the sky we see "Stars" which may or may not be planets. I would think that the lore team probably just used that same form of thought when describing it. :P

[Davy_M_Jones]

Yeah, in this world "star" could just be the colloquial short-hand for "celestial body", a sort of catch-all term for cosmic stuff in general.

[Iscah]

We can already be assured that the creation myth for Eorzea is as potentially inaccurate to what really transpired there as the myths that apply to our own religions and beliefs!

Pray to the Twelve, and see if they answer.

Creation myth for Eorzea is at least a bit more solid - we know Hydaelyn truly exists, if nothing else.

But the Twelve? Yeah, we've had multiple instances now where it's highlighted that you pray to them and get no answer.

If they're going to reveal it's all a lie, I just want them to get it over with at this point.