Pushed to quit after 1,860 days subbed

[TaleraRistain]

An in-game email could be a nice addition as well, but I wouldn't want that to be the only in-game notification. The mail system is kinda wonky in game, and I believe if your mail in game is full (doesn't take a lot of messages), new mail doesn't come through. At least that's been my experience when I've ordered something. Keeping it clean wouldn't be that hard if the mail system didn't seem to always give you that error saying it can't delete the message from the server right now.. OY SE.

Yeah that's the one drawback. It's possible it could give you a message when you log in, too. So the Timer window, a message when you log in, and an e-mail in game. Plus the out of game notifications. That should be plenty to get the point across.

[ko_]

And maybe if SE had just put in a little information about this when someone buys a house or give us an ingame mail or chat text when you log in then nobody would have the need to look for something outside of the game. Posters are looking at this with the viewpoint that they know that there is more behind housing but that is not the case for everyone. There are enough MMOs out there where you keep your house no matter how long you were gone. If that person now plays FF14 for quite some time and finally wants to buy themselves a house they will not get any notice when they buy it. Which would be the place where such a information should be visible. If there is no information there and then you wont have any direct messages ingame that there is a timer counting down, how would that person even know that they are missing something? Should we all be forced now to look up every single content to make sure that we are not missing something? Why not simply have the information ingame?

Also the OP itself stated more than once that it had hurt to lose the house but that it was not the reason for him to quit. It was the destruction of all house items that the OP has gathered over the years that hurt. And is it really fine that our items could be destroyed like that? What if someone was not able to play at all for like 4 months because of a sickness? Not only has that person lost their house but every single item too..so even if they had known about it but could not simply log into the game because of rl they still lose all of it. Even paid items. Is that fine?

It would be easy to solve for SE: Give ingame mails about the demolition, give a short information about this when you buy a house and store every housing item on a NPC that wont destroy it after a certain amount..This way people could at least try to get another one later and not lose years of work.

He wouldn't have lost anything if he took it upon himself to say " I don't know alot about this... let me ask someone or ask google." That is my only point. Yes SE needs better things but they can't fix lazy. Look at the dutyfinder thread for proof of that.

[Skivvy]

He wouldn't have lost anything if he took it upon himself to say " I don't know alot about this... let me ask someone or ask google." That is my only point. Yes SE needs better things but they can't fix lazy. Look at the dutyfinder thread for proof of that.

But why would you think there's anything to look up if you're not explicitly made aware of an issue in the first place? I haven't had a new character for a long time, but going by what has been mentioned here, you normally enter the housing district at level 15, and they give you a bit of information then. That seems to be it. I'm half tempted to level up one of my mules and see what I get, but we'll see how lazy I get.

But for now, lets assume that level 15 is the one and only time you get any potential notification regarding the demolition process. If you're a new player, you are having SO much information thrown at you from the game, there's a good chance you're going to forget that random bit of housing information that was given to you at level 15. You can't even purchase a house until you're level 50 + have a certain GC rank. That is very poor implementation by SE.

[ko_]

But why would you think there's anything to look up if you're not explicitly made aware of an issue in the first place? I haven't had a new character for a long time, but going by what has been mentioned here, you normally enter the housing district at level 15, and they give you a bit of information then. That seems to be it. I'm half tempted to level up one of my mules and see what I get, but we'll see how lazy I get.

But for now, lets assume that level 15 is the one and only time you get any potential notification regarding the demolition process. If you're a new player, you are having SO much information thrown at you from the game, there's a good chance you're going to forget that random bit of housing information that was given to you at level 15. You can't even purchase a house until you're level 50 + have a certain GC rank. That is very poor implementation by SE.

I dunno, if I barely remembered something from the game or better yet need to update myself on a rotation on a class or a feature. I google it instantly so I can be up to date. Alot of people do this. Now why am I goign to google instead of looking at the ingame files? Google is less of a mess and I can pinpoint what I need within seconds without stopping my gameplay. NOW this isn't related to the OP as nothing SE would've done would have stopped him being lazy. But they can make their UI less of a mess so it's easier to search for things like housing rules within the game. But with it being so talked about within the last 2 years alone one would wonder how anything was missed from the get go.

[Lambdafish]

But why would you think there's anything to look up if you're not explicitly made aware of an issue in the first place? I haven't had a new character for a long time, but going by what has been mentioned here, you normally enter the housing district at level 15, and they give you a bit of information then. That seems to be it. I'm half tempted to level up one of my mules and see what I get, but we'll see how lazy I get.

But for now, lets assume that level 15 is the one and only time you get any potential notification regarding the demolition process. If you're a new player, you are having SO much information thrown at you from the game, there's a good chance you're going to forget that random bit of housing information that was given to you at level 15. You can't even purchase a house until you're level 50 + have a certain GC rank. That is very poor implementation by SE.

OP started in 2.0 and played regularly, they would have been lvl 50, and had full, frequent access to the news presented on the launcher as you log in. I'd say that is being made explicitly aware. You are right that some people may fall into that category, and to them I sympathize, but OP has a different experience.

I just find it extremely hard to believe that someone who has invested this much time and money into the game is oblivious to a feature that is not unknown. OP claims to have been to fan fest and has bought every single collectors edition since 1.0, but apparently doesn't keep up with basic news/PLLs/patch notes. Hell, even recently there was a comment made regarding freezing the housing timer because of Japanese earthquakes, it's not like the Devs don't talk about it.

[rswfire]

I sympathize with you but I don't think it is reasonable to say you were "pushed to quit." That's a decision you're making on your own. And you can't honestly say you "enjoyed" content that you didn't access for nearly three months. Makes no sense.

I had a medium house and a small house get destroyed once. C'est la vie. I have no one to blame for that but myself. I took my lumps and moved on.

[R-Pete-G]

I dunno, if I barely remembered something from the game or better yet need to update myself on a rotation on a class or a feature. I google it instantly so I can be up to date. Alot of people do this. Now why am I goign to google instead of looking at the ingame files?

This is the problem with trying to make an anecdotal comparison. As players, different people look up different things for a variety of reasons. You might play a Job for quite a while and not go looking up a rotation until you realise your DPS or Healing isn't up to scratch. Typically you'll do more research if you know you're missing some information, but if you think - rightly or wrongly - that you are up-to-date on how something works, it's not unreasonable to continue as you are.

A player who may not be great at their rotation and isn't doing a good job at DPS will realise because they perform badly in groups, they're told they need to and do some research, but they still have no obligation to do so. And as ignorant as that might be, they wouldn't deserve for their 70 levels to be taken away from them for not having done their homework. We're not talking about whether someone will benefit from reading up on game features. The question, rather, is should it be a hard-and-fast requirement? Do you deserve to have content you've earned stripped away from not doing so?

OP started in 2.0 and played regularly, they would have been lvl 50, and had full, frequent access to the news presented on the launcher as you log in. I'd say that is being made explicitly aware. You are right that some people may fall into that category, and to them I sympathize, but OP has a different experience.

I just find it extremely hard to believe that someone who has invested this much time and money into the game is oblivious to a feature that is not unknown. OP claims to have been to fan fest and has bought every single collectors edition since 1.0, but apparently doesn't keep up with basic news/PLLs/patch notes. Hell, even recently there was a comment made regarding freezing the housing timer because of Japanese earthquakes, it's not like the Devs don't talk about it.

The disbelief continues. If you've read every article on the Lodestone, and every link that appears in the launcher, and you recall all news items / patch notes, then I tip my hat to you.

The reality that seems to be just out of some people's reach is that this is almost certainly not the norm for everyone. Taking a break for a few weeks? Probably going to miss the latest news. In a hurry to log on one day? You might ignore the links in the launcher and just get right to logging in. Who's to say what conversations you see in city chat? You mention my attendance to fan fest and having bought collector's editions, but you know full well that neither of those things would have any bearing on whether or not I'd know about auto demolition. And to then make the leap to "doesn't keep up with basic news / PLLS / patch notes" - I have, at times, done all of those things. But there's a great big range between "have read it all" and "have read nothing", and I'd wager most players fall somewhere in between those equally unrealistic extremes.


This thread is a great example, given how many people are banging the same drum about the demolition part of my post, despite the fact that I've pointed out - several times - that I'm not contesting the demolition at all. If only they had read things properly and done their research...

[Lurex]

I can feel your pain OP. I had a similar thing happen to me, however, I was notified via email that my house was going to be demolished. I let it happen and regretted it. But I've been a subscriber since beta...followed this game through all the in, outs, thru thick and thin, good times/bad times been there the whole time. Please don't leave the game, we need more people like you! I was on Balmung, couldn't get my hands at all on a house since it was demolished. Desperate for a place to call home, I transferred servers and bought myself a Med house. I'm really happy about that, and I still enjoy the game.

[Soraki-Muppe]

What people enjoy in game is completely subjective. Why is it so easy for you to be OK with someone quitting over what you view as a content drought in SB, but it's totally unacceptable for them to quit after losing their house + all of their furnishings and collectibles that they've obtained over the last 5 years? Plenty of people have enjoyed SB thoroughly and have not felt the same about it as you. It would be silly for those people to come here and claim that your opinion is invalid and they don't buy that as your reason for quitting or taking a break.

It's not unheard of to absolutely love a game, and then have something happen to you that just puts a really foul taste in your mouth and leaves you not wanting to touch the game again. If you've never had this happen to you, then I'm happy for you as it really sucks.

No, what I don't get is how some content that OP ignored for more then 80 days made him quit. Clearly this was not a part of the game that the OP cared about, if OP did then this would not happened. If it was the straw that broke the camels back I would understand it, but as the sole reason? No way.
Oh and I have also subbed since 2.0, even played a little in 1.0. What I have seen and actually is a fact is that we keep getting less content each expansion, an easy example is the amount of dungeons we got, in 2.x 3 per patch, in 3.x 2 per patch, in 4.x 1.5 per patch. But anyways that and the fact that the formula for dungeons has not changed since 2.0 is another discussion.
And to be honest I do not find it unacceptable that the OP quit just because of this, I just find it highly unlikely, seeing as, and I am saying this again, the OP ignored this feature for more then 80 days while still playing the game regularly enough to keep the house if OP really cared. But if this is the sole reason for leaving, that is their right.

My plan for the game may also involve quitting it, I will stick around until 5.0 and see which direction they take the game during 5.x. If I like it I will stay, if I don't I will leave. Simple as that. But before I do I may write a longer post about what I think is wrong, but that is because I want to continue loving this game even if that love from time to time is tested. And to those who would love a direction I would not, more power to you but then the game has clearly turned into something that is not for me.

About that foul taste in my mouth... I have been a gamer since NES, of course I have had that taste in my mouth countless times now. I could make a list but will just name this one: Tabula Rasa, game launched in a mess and while the servers went down faster then any other mmorpg I can remember the creator took his money and went to space... yes the a-hole went to space instead of fixing his damn game. Hmm... perhaps this is why I turned into grumpy cat?

[van_arn]

Information that, more often than not, is given to sprouts at level 15 when they visit the housing area for the first time. I'm sure they will remember that information crystal clear should they ever get a house someday. Hm... I suppose adding additional warnings when purchasing a house or when the demolition time is approaching is unnecessary, then.

It was also clearly stated in outside resources, such as the lodestone and fansites, so frankly adding more warnings is a waste of time for everyone involved.

Honestly, shame on you if you don't go through every single patch note the game has received up until now. They should know better! And if they lose their house and event items, then they deserved it. Let them cry and quit the game!

Reading this thread has been very illuminating regarding what your average FFXIV player is like.

Let me be the first to give you a shrug and say if he was away for more than 80 days, he'd already decided to quit. Not my problem.

If he wants to start playing again, he can start a new collection. Or not; not my problem.

Heck, I'd be fine with a 14 day destruction timer that can be increased through active play. Just logging in once every 30 days or so only to go inside your house doesn't make you hold any value to your linkshells or free company. Meaning, you might as well not be playing.