Pushed to quit after 1,860 days subbed

[Alleo]

But, every time before you're able to log in, you have the option to visit the Lodestone for information. The game literally gives you headlines and topics that you should click on and read BEFORE you even log in to play the game. It's not supplementary reading when the game literally posts it right in front of your face each and every time you log in. We may as well argue that people reading their tool tips is supplementary reading because people already don't do that and it's already in-game.

What if someone was not buying a house when the lodestone had the relevant information about a timer in it? What if someone does not need the topic right now and thus wont read every single post on the lodestone? What if they later decide to then own a house but since they might have visited the housing district months/years ago they also dont remember that information? Should everyone be forced to search old posts for something that could have easily been part of the game?

Like others have said, the game gives us notifications about the achievements that we cant really stop, yet the important things like housing timer and losing your stuff after another 35 days are not in the front. Also is it really fine that they even do delete all these items that people gathered for years?

[Mizunoko]

I completely sympathise with you and i only hope things somehow turn around and work out for you :"(. It really sucks when SE pulls a bait and switch and makes promises only to go back on them and screw their own loyal fans over. It's just another example to me of how they would rather care about the numbers or the newer players more than the loyal veterans who have been with them for years. I myself invest a lot of time, care, and gil into housing as well and i would be just as upset as you especially being someone who has a good 1700 or so days subbed as well.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...810-30-2013%29

1:14:22
Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

What i wish i could ask Yoshida myself is......What happened? What happened to all of these promises that have taken a 180 degree turn and turned into lies? There are many other things that went similar to this with proof if you research enough as well. I want to ask you SE and Yoshida? Why did you lie to us? And why has it become a pattern to do this and think if you just keep apologizing later that it resets things or makes it all okay again? Because it doesn't. Your loyal fans are not happy, and with good reason.



I cannot reply to any further posts as apparently i have reached my "daily limit" or whatever so i will have to throw a last reply in relation to a couple posts down from this one here for now instead and call it a day. I will fix it properly tomorrow if it lets me and put it in it's own post like it should be, If i don't do it now here i will probably forget what i was going to say xD. Anyway here goes:

I think Yoshi and the other devs lack foresight and it is replaced by oversight. It seems their focus is on the here and now, and they don't take into account the long term effects, or have trouble doing so in the things they implement into the game. Stating that there would not be an auto demolition system was likely made when they implemented housing back in 2.0 (I'm guessing that is when this statement was made), and did not foresee the issues we've dealt with when it comes to housing afterwards. Because of how it was set up, demand eventually became greater than supply, and they were forced to reverse that decision.

I am not sure what other promises you are referring to, but no dev team is devoid of mistakes and no mmo is perfect. It's the nature of a genre of gaming that grows as we do. Something like what happened to the OP is a clear oversight from the devs that needs to be addressed and quickly so it doesn't happen to someone else. I believe that it eventually will, and is only a matter of when.

I agree that mistakes will be made, but if you ask me they and everyone else seems to make this more complicated than it really is and just thinks that it's okay for SE to solve their mistakes at the cost of the players rather than taking responsibility the proper way and finding another way. There are plenty of other solutions to fix these issues that have come to fruition over the years. I never said SE should be perfect and never make a mistake here and there, rather that they are going about fixing things the wrong way and at the cost of us. It was their mistake, why should we pay for it? We support them and if they want to better themselves and show their fans they are better than that, they need to do the right thing and fix things and take responsibility the proper way. There's no excuse out there for them not to Find solutions that don't come at the cost of us. For example SE is not short on money, they have a lot of profit margin, it's just that corporate higher ups don't want to invest any more into staff or anything else. That's just one of many things however. My main point is that we are paying for their mistakes and that is not how a proper business should be run, then again i guess these days no business cares that much about it's customers anymore. (this is all just my opinion of course, however i do feel that there are some good points that i have made). All n all i just believe that if they make promises no matter who or how old those promises there is no excuse to break them. They need to take responsibility and solve their own issues, and solve them the right way. They get payed to do their job just like anyone else. They should do it right. There's no fair reason why they shouldn't

[Penthea]

Yes, I do actually. And furthermore, my personal life is none of your business, so why don't you leave the personal attacks of intelligence regarding lines like "do you even know how that works?" out of the argument

I did not enquire about your personal life o.O

Also I didn't insult your intelligence. You did that yourself with such a ridiculous comparison. I merely highlighted it. Don't start using comparisons to make your point if you can't handle them being criticised.

Btw, it's not a very long process. It only takes 120 days before a bank can legally start attacking you for a foreclosure. So, all in all, it will possibly take you only 5 months

So, really, SE isn't too far off with how actual real estate works. Banks and their lawyers do not care about you usually. SE is effectively your mortgage company/bank in this regard. You have 45 days before you are effectively removed from the premises permanently. It's actually amazing and scary how close the two are in comparison here.

And you continue with this silly comparison.

Buying a house in the game isn't remotely like applying for a mortgage. You get the terms of the mortgage when you apply for it, not only once at some random moment in your life before you even have the means to buy a house. For SE to do similar they would have to inform the player of demolition when they are about to buy a house, not when they're a lvl 15 sprout who can't even buy one.

This differs from country to country but I'm happy to see that even where you live the process of taking away someone's house can take several months. 45 days can hardly be compared to this timeframe. Additionally legally you must be warned several times of your lack of payments and the consequences before your home can be taken away. Two emails that can get sent directly to spam folders cannot compare. In real life that would be like having letters magically appear in your bin instead of your letter box. SE would have to give you several alerts in game to compare with a real life version of losing your home.

And you seem somehow offended about others wanting people to just take accountability for their actions which is a really simple thing to do, but apparently that's like pulling your arm into a pit of snakes. God forbid others account partially for their own mistakes. What a terrible thing and world we live in

No, your horrendous attitude that this game must somehow serve as a life lesson is what is frustrating. It's a game in which many players are too young to even have had the life experience to have the level of responsibility you claim everyone should have. Never mind how you find the mere concept of people forgetting things as an unforgivable act, and that whatever comes to them is well deserved punishment.

You are disproportionately hostile towards a tiny ui change that would only differ in when it is displayed. With the way you're acting, you'd swear I was advocating for giving everyone who lost their homes their houses back, when all I'm saying is that information of the demolition timer should be stated at a more appropriate time.

[Gemina]

What i wish i could ask Yoshida myself is......What happened? What happened to all of these promises that have taken a 180 degree turn and turned into lies? There are many other things that went similar to this with proof if you research enough as well. I want to ask you SE and Yoshida? Why did you lie to us? And why has it become a pattern to do this and think if you just keep apologizing later that it resets things or makes it all okay again? Because it doesn't. Your loyal fans are not happy, and with good reason.

I think Yoshi and the other devs lack foresight and it is replaced by oversight. It seems their focus is on the here and now, and they don't take into account the long term effects, or have trouble doing so in the things they implement into the game. Stating that there would not be an auto demolition system was likely made when they implemented housing back in 2.0 (I'm guessing that is when this statement was made), and did not foresee the issues we've dealt with when it comes to housing afterwards. Because of how it was set up, demand eventually became greater than supply, and they were forced to reverse that decision.

I am not sure what other promises you are referring to, but no dev team is devoid of mistakes and no mmo is perfect. It's the nature of a genre of gaming that grows as we do. Something like what happened to the OP is a clear oversight from the devs that needs to be addressed and quickly so it doesn't happen to someone else. I believe that it eventually will, and is only a matter of when.

[Ariane]

I completely sympathise with you and i only hope things somehow turn around and work out for you :"(. It really sucks when SE pulls a bait and switch and makes promises only to go back on them and screw their own loyal fans over. It's just another example to me of how they would rather care about the numbers or the newer players more than the loyal veterans who have been with them for years. I myself invest a lot of time, care, and gil into housing as well and i would be just as upset as you especially being someone who has a goot 1700 or so days subbed as well.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...810-30-2013%29

1:14:22
Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

What i wish i could ask Yoshida myself is......What happened? What happened to all of these promises that have taken a 180 degree turn and turned into lies? There are many other things that went similar to this with proof if you research enough as well. I want to ask you SE and Yoshida? Why did you lie to us? And why has it become a pattern to do this and think if you just keep apologizing later that it resets things or makes it all okay again? Because it doesn't. Your loyal fans are not happy, and with good reason.

Housing was originally only for FCs. Personally housing was originally to be stated to be a its own thing and not shared with the FC houses. I'm not sure why they changed their minds on personal housing, but maybe they saw they made too many plots for the FCs to buy. (There was a lot of empty plots when only FC could buy them.) So maybe they thought they could have individuals buy up the empty plots (and they don't have to making something new just for the personal housing). But then the problem there is not enough plots when individuals get in on it, so they end up with a huge shortage. That's when they had to put in the demolition timer.

[Penthea]

Housing was originally only for FCs. Personally housing was originally to be stated to be a its own thing and not shared with the FC houses. I'm not sure why they changed their minds on personal housing, but maybe they saw they made too many plots for the FCs to buy. (There was a lot of empty plots when only FC could buy them.) So maybe they thought they could have individuals buy up the empty plots (and they don't have to making something new just for the personal housing). But then the problem there is not enough plots when individuals get in on it, so they end up with a huge shortage of houses. That's when they had to put in the demolition timer.

I think what actually happened was back when housing was first introduced getting the sum of money needed to purchase a house was much more difficult than it is now. If you lvl from 1 to 70 and don't spend your gil on much outside of necessities, you probably will have enough gil to buy a cottage by the time you're lvl 70. In 2.0 getting to lvl 50 certainly did not result in you having 1 million gil, never mind several million.

So SE saw a lot of empty plots and decided to open houses for personal use as well so that the feature would actually get used. But things change as time goes on, and one of those is the amount of gil a player can accumulate from playing through the available msq, as well as other new features such as Aqua Polis, Lost Canals, Palace of The Dead, and so on.

So presently a far higher percentage of players have the gil to purchase a house compared to 2.0. The poor design of the housing system became clearer as time passed when a large amount of players had the means to interact with it, but were blocked due to limited space.

[ko_]

I'd love to know how many people actually do check the lodestone every time before they log in to the game. I hardly ever do. It's time consuming on PS4 as pages take so long to load. I'm not saying I'm right, just saying that it's not something I regard as part of the game or as a necessary part of my log in. But we're getting sidetracked. The Lodestone doesn't tell you if your house is about to be demolished, either.

I think it would be a great idea to have the information in a 'more convenient location'. If it stops people losing houses they wanted to keep and cuts down on work for the GMs, surely that would be a good thing. After all, this is a game, not some sort of character development programme.

I only do it mainly cause my PS4 pro is also my computer. I don't have a PC :C So I check normally everytime I'm online. But you're right on one thing.. even on the PRO some pages load WAY too slow.

[Sigma-Astra]

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Considering that the OP actually did agree with my comparison, you're the only one who thinks it was and is ridiculous by your own measure. It was a decent comparison, it may not be the type of comparison that you like, but that doesn't really make it invalid just because you say so or because you personally think its silly.

You had asked if I knew how it works and I explained that I did, so I'm not sure what your problem with it is. You only saw the 120 days it takes to get towards foreclosure, and that's because it tied into your narrative more than anything. When the three to thirty days part of the actual foreclosure is more similar towards the 45 day period of when you lose your XIV house. You also act like mortgage statements can't get lost in the mail or end up in your email spam folder either which does happen. There is a possibility of the mailing system not mailing things correctly to you or delivering your statements. I'm also not sure on why you feel that people can't ignore warnings in real life, much like they do now in-game, that it's an impossible thing for someone to ignore warning after warning about something important. But, whatever, it's clear that it's impossible to convince you otherwise because you're on the fence that anyone who makes a mistake in XIV should never have to be held accountable for their own mistakes. So, we're probably going to get absolutely no where else regarding the topic as neither of us aren't going to back down from our stances. And frankly, I don't really want to continue arguing with you especially since you feel that I've insulted my own intelligence (somehow) simply from making a comparison between two similar things.

It's a 50/50 problem, but you're only blaming the one side (the devs) because it's far easier to place blame on them entirely than the actual player who played the game for five years and not once, thought to ask more about housing. It's one thing to blame them for not having any information whatsoever period, it's another thing entirely to blame them when the information is readily available and someone just didn't bother to look it up.

What happened sucked, don't get me wrong. But, it's half of the dev's fault and half of the OP's fault. It's not completely the dev's fault.

And, you don't know me well enough to talk about my attitude, so please stop making assumptions about my character as a person. I'm not being hostile, I'm being blunt and honest and if you don't like it, well, that's not really my problem, I guess? You don't really get an opportunity to dismiss or say that you're not making personal attacks or insults....because then you go and make subtle rebukes about myself as a person in multiple cases for no reason at all when I haven't really made any points against your character whatsoever in such a way.

Also I didn't insult your intelligence. You did that yourself with such a ridiculous comparison.

No, your horrendous attitude that this game must somehow serve as a life lesson is what is frustrating.

[Sigma-Astra]

No offence, but that kinda derails the rest of your post. The Lodestone is an optional resource for the game. It is very much supplementary reading.

Having the option, as in literally the link/button to click on the page, to read the Lodestone before you log in does not mean that you don't have to read it.

What if someone was not buying a house when the lodestone had the relevant information about a timer in it? What if someone does not need the topic right now and thus wont read every single post on the lodestone? What if they later decide to then own a house but since they might have visited the housing district months/years ago they also dont remember that information? Should everyone be forced to search old posts for something that could have easily been part of the game?

What is literally stopping that person from asking someone in-game who owns a house? I mean, other players are fountains of information as well and they're right there too in-game to help you.

The information was already there and readily available and right now we're arguing over an ease of convenience because some people feel that reading for more information outside of the game itself is too much work apparently when, as far as I know of, most people who own housing haven't had a problem taking care of their homes or learning about the process through those other means.

[Final-Fantasy]

I don't know why they haven't done this already, but Automatic Relinquish is not listed at all in the Active Help guide (Housing), in the game, or even prior to purchasing which is just idiotic and needs immediate attention.


This needs to be a WARNING prior to clicking "Purchase Land" so nobody is left uninformed.