We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Miste]

a lot of you are even LESS skilled than casual players because we dont need parsers, zoomhacks or act triggers to play a videogame.

Nice attitude.

You constantly destroy your own arguments and the arguments of everyone else who claims raiders are ruining this community with rudeness and bad attitudes.

So...I guess...thank you for that?

I don't like people calling others embarassments because they think they are more skilled.

No one said anything about your skill level.

You are turning it into being about skill.

[Sigma-Astra]

Nice attitude.

You constantly destroy your own arguments and the arguments of everyone else who claims raiders are ruining this community with rudeness and bad attitudes.

So...I guess...thank you for that?



No one said anything about your skill level.

You are turning it into being about skill.

Aww, thank you Miste <3

[Sigma-Astra]

Most people in this game don't raid. You can see this by clear rates, pug advertisements, and by how many members in an FC raid to the total amount.
People who don't raid generally know why they don't raid.
It boils down to fun, since this raid system to its credit, doesn't put a tremendous amount of timesinks before you get to raiding. It doesn't need you to spend 6 hours in sky getting a pop item for a 30 min fight. In FFXI, a lot of people didnt raid due to time burden.
When i was talking, it was in the context of people who don't raid. Not people who do.



I think if we're playing the "i'm skilled" card to denigrate others, I should offer the chance to prove it. I have to back up my words that I think casuals can be as skilled as raiders, so I need to offer it. So I'm giving the chance to be kicked, in other words. I said something out there, so I need to prove it, and the content isn't fun enough for me to do so on my own initiative.

Unfortunately i am not on aether or i would do so with dual, bourne, etc. But anyone on primal. I'm sorry for heated rhetoric, but I don't like people calling others embarassments, and i'm happy to prove that even as a casual, i can understand and do raids just as good as the lot of you.

I never played the "I'm skilled" card, not once towards you. You took it personally from the very beginning. I'm allowed to say, based on my numbers, that I'm more skilled than the average casual person. That's it. I'm allowed to say that, I have the physical evidence to prove it right there on fflogs. And also by those numbers, I can also say that I'm no where NEAR the best, but I'm at least competent in trying to improve. I never called you an embarrassment, I called out your tone and your logic. There's a difference.

You are literally looking for things that are not there.

[347SPECTRE]

This thread has derailed worse than the Intercity Express derailment in Germany back in 98.

[Legion88]

This thread has derailed worse than the Intercity Express derailment in Germany back in 98.

I wouldn't say that, at this point at least this thread caused no deaths.

[Dualgunner]

Unfortunately i am not on aether or i would do so with dual, bourne, etc. But anyone on primal. I'm sorry for heated rhetoric, but I don't like people calling others embarassments, and i'm happy to prove that even as a casual, i can understand and do raids just as good as the lot of you. Hmm. The only issue is i don't want to beat it because it makes me look like i want a carry; i had one issue with someone inviting me for the first time on a raid when they all had it on farm and i had never stepped inside of it.

I can appreciate things get heated on the forums. And if I had a primal alt I'd take you up on that. But the thing you need to wrap your head around is nobody called you an embarrassment; Sigma-Astra was talking about your post, on which was incorrect information that you were doubling down on.

I wouldn't say that, at this point this thread caused no deaths.

I think my soul died once or twice. That count?

They could have just stuck with the job gear and let the upgrades increase their gear rating further then Amenos did. It would be so simple.

This is the same team that gave us a complicated multi-day rng-based chocobo feed system for dying our bird companions. Rather than just like, dumping a pot of dye on them, which would have been so much simpler.

[347SPECTRE]

I wouldn't say that, at this point this thread caused no deaths.

True. Personally I think the strawmen need to just be ignored.

[Sigma-Astra]

True. Personally I think the strawmen need to just be ignored.

I do like how in your avatar, your glasses seem to make your purple eyes glow a bit. It almost enhances them quite a bit.

[RiyahArp]

I never played the "I'm skilled" card, not once towards you..

I don't need to really argue any more. I said something myself that needs to be proven, more than what you said, so I have to prove it. You're welcome to referee. I won't derail the thread any further, since the thing that got me heated was your "someone who never sets foot in a raid" is what set me off, and i should apologize for getting heated over that.

[Edax]

Okay, I'll bite. What was taken away, here? Diadem? We still have Eureka. Non-savage ways to reach i370? Tomes still exist, and Anemos gave i350 gear with five open materia slots which put them in the running easily for some non-savage BiS. I think the reason Pagos has no gear is just cuz devs don't want to design AF gear every other patch.

They could have just stuck with the job gear and let the upgrades increase their gear rating further then Amenos did. It would be so simple.