Bring back the old sub job system.

[Selvokaz]

its time for a change, the formula has become old and stale, people are craving for the game to shake it up a little. Class balance tweaks aren't cutting it anymore, waiting for new dungeons to grind isn't as interesting as it once was. The game was exciting when it felt like there was new discoveries to be found, both in the world and its mechanics. The game felt more alive people were trying new things, new ideas, well the subclass system change that, maybe.. somewhat.

[Penthea]

People were saying the exact same thing you are when we had the old job system. I don't think going backwards in class balance is going to help anything.

[Rockette]

Hard disagree. Being forced to level a job you had no interest in, in order to play the job you are interested in, was backwards and ridiculous.

[Selvokaz]

Hard disagree. Being forced to level a job you had no interest in, in order to play the job you are interested in, was backwards and ridiculous.

Not even what I said, The old job system isn't 1.0 or 2.0 it's the Dual Class system or sub job system that is seen in ff5, FFtactics.

[Rockette]

Not even what I said, The old job system isn't 1.0 or 2.0 it's the Dual Class system or sub job system that is seen in ff5, FFtactics.

Ahh yes, the old job system from another game in a post talking about this game. How silly of me.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Not even what I said, The old job system isn't 1.0 or 2.0 it's the Dual Class system or sub job system that is seen in ff5, FFtactics.

Why didn't you specify that then? The only "old sob job system" FFXIV has ever had is the one everyone assumed you meant.

Regardless, sub jobs won't accomplish anything except an even greater workload. Now you have to balance several times the number of jobs because each sub alternate needs to be viable otherwise it'll be instantly deemed useless. Furthermore, sub jobs won't magically improve the stale progression system or make some like Pagos any more fun. It'll be the exact same thing but now Dragoon gets access to Trick Attack. Oh boy!

[TaiyoShikasu]

Why didn't you specify that then? The only "old sob job system" FFXIV has ever had is the one everyone assumed you meant.

Regardless, sub jobs won't accomplish anything except an even greater workload. Now you have to balance several times the number of jobs because each sub alternate needs to be viable otherwise it'll be instantly deemed useless. Furthermore, sub jobs won't magically improve the stale progression system or make some like Pagos any more fun. It'll be the exact same thing but now Dragoon gets access to Trick Attack. Oh boy!

BRD is no longer tied to DRG. They just need to level it.

[HyoMinPark]

BRD is no longer tied to DRG. They just need to level it.

If this is about piercing, it would be infinitely more simple to just give piercing to BRD (on something like SS) or remove piercing entirely. Not add in a "sub-class system". The biggest issue with the old cross-class system was that people didn't want to level other classes/jobs just to have tools needed for their main job - they didn't even want to stop and level a second class to level 15 to unlock their main job at 30. Why readd a system forcing that?

[kikix12]

Why didn't you specify that then? The only "old sob job system" FFXIV has ever had is the one everyone assumed you meant.

Except that's wrong. FFXIV never had a sub-job system. It had a cross-class system. If they sound different, it's better to assume they ARE different than to assume that the original poster doesn't know what they are talking about.

That being said, the original poster could have written it more clearly, yes.


Still, the suggestion is unrealistic. It would require completely redoing the entire game...and that's just not feasible. It's not a matter of shaking things up. It's a matter of completely ditching everything in the game sans the story and making it from scratch. Sorry, but that's just not something you do with a working, money-bringing game. Or any game for that matter.

If they will make a new MMO game...yes. I'd like a Tactics-like job system in it. In this one?! Yeah...no. This just ain't suited. And worse yet, it absolutely could not work with the FFXIV teams mentality. They would make it an unplayable abomination even if they DID try. They just absolutely suck at making anything more complicated than 2+2=4. If you need proof of that, just look at what a failure is the Arcanist/Scholar/Summoner triangle. All because they didn't have the foresight to realize that a healer out of a DPS job will be a balancing nightmare in a trinity game like this.

[HyoMinPark]

Except that's wrong. FFXIV never had a sub-job system. It had a cross-class system. If they sound different, it's better to assume they ARE different than to assume that the original poster doesn't know what they are talking about.

That being said, the original poster could have written it more clearly, yes.

Not really "could have" - should have. Not all of us have played FFV or Tactics, so we don't know what sub-job system they're even referring to. Our only experience with anything like that may just be the old cross-role system. The wording of the entire OP is vague and misleading.