PSA/ALERT: Houses are getting demolished when they shouldn't. SE needs to see this!

[Cylla]

I don't understand why people think 45 days is too short. 45 days is fine. If you're not using your house in 45 days then you don't really need that house. Pretty cut and dry. When the land is finite, you shouldn't be able to keep your house forever if you're not using it.

Let not start this argument. imo, it shouldn't even be here at all but because of SE own failure to do something right, we are being punished left and right. If what happening is true, this is just another reason why the auto demo timer shouldn't be applied at all and yet another reason why SE should overhaul the housing system and do it right the second time around, but... we all know that not going to happen so on wards with the punishment for their failure!

[SonKevin]

Let not start this argument. imo, it shouldn't even be here at all but because of SE own failure to do something right, we are being punished left and right. If what happening is true, this is just another reason why the auto demo timer shouldn't be applied at all and yet another reason why SE should overhaul the housing system and do it right the second time around, but... we all know that not going to happen so on wards with the punishment for their failure!

No one is being punished left and right. If what is happening is true then that's unfortunate and those players need to be fully compensated. This does not mean we should get rid of the demolition timer or move housing into private instances. 45 days is more than enough time and people should stop jumping on people's misfortune to push their own agenda other players would largely disagree with.

[Cylla]

No one is being punished left and right. If what is happening is true then that's unfortunate and those players need to be fully compensated. This does not mean we should get rid of the demolition timer or move housing into private instances. 45 days is more than enough time and people should stop jumping on people's misfortune to push their own agenda other players would largely disagree with.

Here the thing, if what going on is true and what people are reporting back with true, it is a punishment. These people lost their house due to SE error and it being sweep under the rug and told they can't get their houses back.

And no, the demo timer shouldn't have ever been a thing to start with. I'm not going to sit here and beat the dead horse, I've said so many times it not even funny anymore. I've been against the timer from the get go, I ain't jumping on anyone misfortune so don't go assuming such things about me when you don't know what I'm standing up for or against :/ really uncool.

[SonKevin]

Here the thing, if what going on is true and what people are reporting back with true, it is a punishment. These people lost their house due to SE error and it being sweep under the rug and told they can't get their houses back.

And no, the demo timer shouldn't have ever been a thing to start with. I'm not going to sit here and beat the dead horse, I've said so many times it not even funny anymore. I've been against the timer from the get go, I ain't jumping on anyone misfortune so don't go assuming such things about me when you don't know what I'm standing up for or against :/ really uncool.

Assuming such things? No one needs to assume when your posts are in this thread, lol. It's pretty clear what you're doing. You're using unconfirmed rumors as basis to peddle your held beliefs upon others who may or may not disagree with you. The only thing that should be said from this incident is if there is a bug causing houses to be deleted and what SE is doing to fix and compensate the players of this supposed issue. What you're asking for is to get rid of the auto demolition timer which would only cause more problems then it would solve outside of scrapping the entire housing system and changing it to an instanced based housing system.

[Rymm]

What happened to "let's not start this argument?"

[Cylla]

Not even going to argue with someone who pure out clueless and just assuming things about someone they know something about. If they took a few seconds to skim all the posts I've made in these forums over the years about housing before replying, they'd feel pretty stupid about themselves right now. But it cool, that what ignore is for So yes, no more derailing on my half.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Arguments need to be left at the door - though civil debate is fine.

What I think we'd all actually like right now, though, is... you know, a legitimate response from SE in some capacity on here. Even just a "we've heard of this and are investigating/pushing it to those who can figure it out" would suffice. People are worried and the longer this goes unspoken of, the worse it will get.

[Hamada]

I don't understand why people think 45 days is too short. 45 days is fine. If you're not using your house in 45 days then you don't really need that house. Pretty cut and dry. When the land is finite, you shouldn't be able to keep your house forever if you're not using it.

It is too short, compare it to how this game does patch cycles and keeps repeating the same content over and over again. When a producer admits having the game not meant to be continuously played and keeps releasing catch up patches, id say it needs to be 3 months, and that is purely based how they manage the game with their cycles.

45 days might be fine, if the game was not managed in this way. Anyways I agree, 45 days is too short, you can have it longer and still fill full the purpose of having people that quit a year + not run a ghost town (though idk the point since the wards are full of house hoarders and ghost town feel anyway)

I feel you need to be reminded of:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ry-(10-30-2013

1:14:22
Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?

A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

Assuming such things? No one needs to assume when your posts are in this thread, lol. It's pretty clear what you're doing. You're using unconfirmed rumors as basis to peddle your held beliefs upon others who may or may not disagree with you. The only thing that should be said from this incident is if there is a bug causing houses to be deleted and what SE is doing to fix and compensate the players of this supposed issue. What you're asking for is to get rid of the auto demolition timer which would only cause more problems then it would solve outside of scrapping the entire housing system and changing it to an instanced based housing system.

What you are doing is provoking fights and causing drama, stop it.

[Jijifli]

Let not start this argument.

Everyone proceeds to start this argument.

[Luxyn]

This is all I will say on the demolition timer length. I also agree 45 days is too short. Sometimes I'm busy or want to play another game or several other games even between major patches so I don't have time to play XIV or use my house during that time, but I KNOW I will be more active on XIV when the next major patch hits and then WILL be doing so.

So I have to stay subbed mainly JUST to keep my house up (doing other things like beast tribes or other small things to at least make my sub more worthwhile) because why should I lose it just because I'm taking a pause in my activity between major patches? Hamada has the right of it, because the 45 day timer means if you take a break during the patch lull you'll lose your plot. It should be doubled to 90 days. It is the middle option for a subscription period, and it is the perfect amount of time between major patches without it being too long. That is when you consider that you will be playing through the content of the new patch, and within 90 days of you finishing that you will have the next wave of content to resub for, and so it goes on.

I have been subbed to the game almost constantly since 2.4, with my longest break only being 3 months and it was after I finished what the base SB expansion had to offer because I didn't have a plot to keep up at the time since I had moved to a new server. I'm an active player because I am here on this game for every major patch. It would be nice if I could unsub during content lulls to save some money without the worry of losing my plot. If you think I should lose it just because I'm not putting up with a content lull that really isn't fair, when I'm active I'm using the plot every day. Every. Day. And I know many players are the same.

But I suppose that is one reason for SE to keep the timer at 45 days, because people will sub to keep their plots up during their breaks. But let's be honest - any player who wants to keep their plot, like me, is going to do what is necessary to keep it after the work they put into getting it and decorating it.

Having the timer as short as 45 days simply makes it more inconvenient and overly punishing. 90 days is the sweet spot, I don't think it's even debatable when you consider the points I have just made. But I'd rather the thread stay on topic, just wanted to voice my opinion since it was brought up.