Why do you want an Auction House? (discussion)[dev1019]

[Chory]

AH is much easier to navigate/sort and faster to purchase/check price than MW. Price history feature, no running, no loadings between zones, easier SELL LIST management. Only good thing about MW is gear display on retainer but honestly - it will be much better if items will start to actually work different instead of just look different.

Oh, and you're sooooooo wrong saying MW is an anti-RMT tool.
RMTs hardly speculate with prices. They usually focus on intense farming/gathering/NM camping and flood the market with stuff. Their activity usually lowers the prices. MW makes it harder for them at the same level it makes buying/selling harder for all players. It isn't more anti-RMT than it is anti-players. And seriously, SE should focus on making FFXIV playable instead of fighting RMTs. RMTs don't care much about FFXIV atm.
BTW: I prefer dealing with RMTs over dealing with SEs anti-RMT tools. Anti-RMT tools usually harm regular payers with collateral damage. The one and only good manner to deal with RMTs is to ban them.

[Taru_TwoPointO]

AH is much easier to navigate/sort and faster to purchase/check price than MW. Price history feature, no running, no loadings between zones, easier SELL LIST management. Only good thing about MW is gear display on retainer but honestly - it will be much better if items will start to actually work different instead of just look different.

Oh, and you're sooooooo wrong saying MW is an anti-RMT tool.
RMTs hardly speculate with prices. They usually focus on intense farming/gathering/NM camping and flood the market with stuff. Their activity usually lowers the prices. MW makes it harder for them at the same level it makes buying/selling harder for all players. It isn't more anti-RMT than it is anti-players. And seriously, SE should focus on making FFXIV playable instead of fighting RMTs. RMTs don't care much about FFXIV atm.
BTW: I prefer dealing with RMTs over dealing with SEs anti-RMT tools. Anti-RMT tools usually harm regular payers with collateral damage. The one and only good manner to deal with RMTs is to ban them.

Seriously? You rather deal with on and off full economy inflation then walk a few steps? The reason RMT caused inflation in FFXI was due to camping the auction house, buying all of something and then selling it at the price they wanted.

How did they do this? Bots.

Sure they can do that now if they want. But its a shit load harder with all the running around.

It is really sad that you would rather deal with RMT then walk around for a few minutes.

I'm done with these dev threads. People dont think of the future they just want now now now.

[Epo]

Seriously? You rather deal with on and off full economy inflation then walk a few steps? The reason RMT caused inflation in FFXI was due to camping the auction house, buying all of something and then selling it at the price they wanted.

How did they do this? Bots.

Sure they can do that now if they want. But its a shit load harder with all the running around.

It is really sad that you would rather deal with RMT then walk around for a few minutes.

I'm done with these dev threads. People dont think of the future they just want now now now.

Right.... a few extra steps are gonna stop a bot, when they have bots advanced enough to go level for you...Leveling doesn't require walking? wut?

[Taru_TwoPointO]

Right.... a few extra steps are gonna stop a bot, when they have bots advanced enough to go level for you...Leveling doesn't require walking? wut?

I sugget thinking before you talk.

Enemies can be targeted and its a single number button to attack. Thats how easy it is to create a bot to level up.

1: There is no way a bot can shop with the market wards. It cannot read the screen explaining which ward the item is in.
2: You need visual identification to determine which retainer has the star on its head to go to it.
3: You need to be able to read the bazaar and choose the correct item in the listing to purchase said item.
I do believe there is no way to choose any of this in the computer memory with ffxiv due to it being server side.

Auction houses usually have static listings which can be macro'd via a bot of just a damn long macro editor.

As I said, please dont try to outwit someone if you don't have all the information.

[Epo]

I sugget thinking before you talk.

Enemies can be targeted and its a single number button to attack. Thats how easy it is to create a bot to level up.

1: There is no way a bot can shop with the market wards. It cannot read the screen explaining which ward the item is in.
2: You need visual identification to determine which retainer has the star on its head to go to it.
3: You need to be able to read the bazaar and choose the correct item in the listing to purchase said item.
I do believe there is no way to choose any of this in the computer memory with ffxiv due to it being server side.

Auction houses usually have static listings which can be macro'd via a bot of just a damn long macro editor.

As I said, please dont try to outwit someone if you don't have all the information.

You just said yourself you need visual identification to determine, and you need to be able to read the bazaar. Did you know... in FFXI, you need to read the prices of items? Did you know, that requires visual confirmation? Did you knows bots CAN do visual confirmation?! NOWAI.

And before you say that the bots just raised the amount of what they were trying to buy by xxx amount of Gil with the FFXI AH, no one said they had to use that out-dated AH either.

If you play just about any MMO, there AH is much more optimized than FFXI's, and such a bot would not work for that.

Did you also know that the majority of RMT-ers don't BOT around ? They hack into other people's accounts, and take their gil, or bot for farming, aka grinding the items they want then sell. RMT-ers very rarely buy then resell, as they're usually the ones selling at the lowest price.
How about you get your facts straight, buddeh? x)

[Taru_TwoPointO]

You just said yourself you need visual identification to determine, and you need to be able to read the bazaar. Did you know... in FFXI, you need to read the prices of items? Did you know, that requires visual confirmation? Did you knows bots CAN do visual confirmation?! NOWAI.

And before you say that the bots just raised the amount of what they were trying to buy by xxx amount of Gil with the FFXI AH, no one said they had to use that out-dated AH either.

If you play just about any MMO, there AH is much more optimized than FFXI's, and such a bot would not work for that.

Did you also know that the majority of RMT-ers don't BOT around ? They hack into other people's accounts, and take their gil, or bot for farming, aka grinding the items they want then sell. RMT-ers very rarely buy then resell, as they're usually the ones selling at the lowest price.
How about you get your facts straight, buddeh? x)

You are incorrect in so many ways. I'm not responding anymore after this response. You get to reply next with another witty retort and pat your e-back.

[Chory]

You are incorrect in so many ways.

Honestly dude. I've never heard bout AH bots. IF RMTs speculate they do it on rare, very expensive items - dont really need bots for that. When it comes to more common items (but still quite expensive) they rather farm a lot and sell stuff for lower price cuz of competition (many suppliers) and that usually results in huge deflation.

[Zkieve]

Seriously? You rather deal with on and off full economy inflation then walk a few steps? The reason RMT caused inflation in FFXI was due to camping the auction house, buying all of something and then selling it at the price they wanted.

How did they do this? Bots.

Sure they can do that now if they want. But its a shit load harder with all the running around.

It is really sad that you would rather deal with RMT then walk around for a few minutes.

I'm done with these dev threads. People dont think of the future they just want now now now.

Forgive me if im wrong , but didnt the inflation in 11 stopped when they started mass banning RMT?Around when they introduced the special task team (sorry i cant remember the exact name of it)Idk how it is now, but when i left ffxi the RMT were pretty controlled ,The most annoying were players using bots at HNMs.Not RMT.But anyways the point is it didnt had anything to do with AH or not.I could be wrong , my memory is not what it used to be.

Anyways i still see many rmt in 14 (pointless if you ask me )in wards and everywhere so if wards is a anti rmt measure, it has failed miserably.

[Chory]

Seriously? You rather deal with on and off full economy inflation then walk a few steps?

Yes. Price fluctuation is a part of economy. It is in real world (example: gas/petrol/diesel prices), and it is part of every MMO with or without RMTs. How much is Iron Haubergeon on your serwer atm? 50k? 100k? 150k? Whatever the price is, you want the item, you got enough gil - you buy. Then you sell it and you get most of your money back. If it will go up to 500k due to RMTs speculation (and like i said - RMTs rather lower the prices flooding the market with stuff than speculate) you will need more gil to buy it and you will get more gil selling it. If crafting material gets more expensive - item crafted with it will go higher too. No real harm to economy. Inflation is always way better then deflation. And even deflation caused by RMTs is just a part of economy. Running around Market Wards is always waste of time. And time > gil.

BTW: if you dont want bots (seriously ive never heard bout AH bots) to buy your stuff cheap - dont sell it cheap lol.