“non-essential” premium content, does SE want this kind of reputation if it continue?

[Radial]

They would sell the blue mage job stone on the mogstation and these people would still defend it and pretend it's an OPTIONAL job, there's no point trying to reason them.

It lets me keep the thread bumped and lets me deconstruct their statements for more reasonable silent majority to see, while also letting me farm out those pages of replies since that is apparently what matters to get dev attention? Though you will notice now that the thread is going longer the mood has changed from "UGH another thread? why cant you all stop spamming" to saying there is nothing left to discuss.

[Rubiss]

They would sell the blue mage job stone on the mogstation and these people would still defend it and pretend it's an OPTIONAL job, there's no point trying to reason them.

It's true. The people on this forums are sheep who will defend Square for any action. Idiots on here were defending people buying clears with real money so it doesn't surprise me that they'd be on their knees over the app. I look forward to the day where we can buy raid skip potions on the mogstation. There won't even a backlash, just a bunch of gurgling from the white knights going down on YoshiP.

[Mwynn]

You don't feel pressured for more inventory, but have extra retainers? :thinking: I don't think it is very controversial to say most people feel/felt an inventory crunch in this game considering some of the most well received changes to the game in the recent past was to expand the inventory, make things stack to 999, and chocobo saddlebags. SE seems to think it is an issue.

I think Extra Retainers are sometimes not even about the Inventory Space, but limited Sell Slots you have, basically it's kinda becoming a small Pay2Win Option if you go against People in Food/Pot Business that have 8 Retainers versus your 2 Retainers.

2 Retainers = 40 Sell Slots
8 Retainers = 160 Sell Slots

2 Characters with 16 Retainers together = 320 Sell Slots
3 Characters with 24 Retainers together = 480 Sell Slots

Couple that with a Alt Character or 2 Additional Characters that someone uses to Craft extreme amounts of Items and ...

Enough to harrass the Crafter out of a Market who only has 40 Sell Slots, yes.. there is People out there that pay absurd amounts of Money just to do this.

(Not complaining in the end, it's just how it is and in the end it's not like we can do something about it but welp, away I go ^^)

[Rubiss]

To be fair, quite a few of the so-called "defenders" weren't really defending the practice - they were just saying that whatever they do with their money is their own business. That's not really defending the practice of buying clears.

Yeah I'm aware, the complacent "It's their money, if they want to buy clears, let them" stance which is a joke at best. If you allow or condone people using real money to buy clears, just sell clears on mogstation and let Square get some of that.

[Granyala]

Yeah I'm aware, the complacent "It's their money, if they want to buy clears, let them" stance which is a joke at best. If you allow or condone people using real money to buy clears, just sell clears on mogstation and let Square get some of that.

Realize that there is absolutely NOTHING SE can do about that. What ever arrangement people make in private in TS or elsewhere is absolutely none of SE's business.

That being said: I am familiar with selling clears for ingame currency, WoW guilds do it all the time but never encountered RL money clear sells. Oo

As for the hoarding: yeah I can see how, if you play many classes and like to collect glam gear 2 retainers are crammed.
Hell I play 2 classes actively and one of my kittens is packed to the max serving as a walking closet. :X

[Remedi]

Every omnicrafter is pressured for more inventory and to say otherwise is disingenuous or you don't craft seriously. I honestly wouldn't mind paying for more space, but renting space is just crazy.

Omnicrafter with no extra retainers and not using FC chest for that here. so speak for yourself

[polyphonica]

I think Extra Retainers are sometimes not even about the Inventory Space, but limited Sell Slots you have, basically it's kinda becoming a small Pay2Win Option if you go against People in Food/Pot Business that have 8 Retainers versus your 2 Retainers.

I would not entirely disagree, but I do think this will enter the equation regardless. It's mostly a question of how convenient it is. If they didn't allow people to purchase added retainers, I expect instead you'd see a rise in people with two service accounts, since that way they can trade between characters, and more easily manage "mules." They could still effectively recreate the scenario you described, it'd just be a bit more work to do. (Though this is where the new app would actually become convenient.) In the end, you could probably argue that retainers are really just an NPC version of mules you might have on other MMOs, and this implementation is a lot more practical for people on consoles (since you can't easily "dual-box" like you can on PC).

This is not to say that anything and everything is therefore okay, but whatever sorts of limits you impose, some people will see an advantage of being to defeat those limits in whatever ways the system makes possible. That being said, I bet if you did a poll, people would rate "paying for a second subscription to get more inventory space/market listings" a lot lower on the "Feels P2W" scale, because it's a more oldschool/traditional approach that doesn't involve a microtransaction.

[Granyala]

That being said, I bet if you did a poll, people would rate "paying for a second subscription to get more inventory space/market listings" a lot lower on the "Feels P2W" scale, because it's a more oldschool/traditional approach that doesn't involve a microtransaction.

Well there are always people that go to rather extreme lengths like having multiple paid accounts to get an advantage.
Paying a 1.4€/mo is a considerably smaller investment to gain an advantage, subsequently more people use it and it has more of an impact.

I'd guess that's the main reason why people feel that way.

[MageBlack]

See they do listen and respond.

Take some notes from that thread's OP on how they spoke to the devs and how they presented themselves. I have no problem with complaints or raising concerns, its the way the OP in this thread was so negative and condescending that I'm sure gets them an automatic pass.

[ManuelBravo]

If we all step back and look at the bigger picture we can probably come to one main key point. Inventory wise the game is designed to accommodate at average 3 classes and that is with low end hoarding habits. Having extra retainers semi helps and really only makes the hoarding habit expand. For those who are organize and constantly have a flow in there inventory having extra retainers can help in terms of selling. ( mostly if you craft ) Sure we all like to keep glamour and such and hopefully they can expand the Armorie options, however if we really look into our inventory why do we keep most of the crap?
I'm guilty of this and have max retainers, however it does help me gathering materials and selling. I have a Private FC as well for space and perks. It's still better than alternates and spending more money on multiple accounts. -.-? SE is meeting demand and lets face it us lazy people would rather pay than be more organized -.-/